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Post by TrevorG » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:56 pm

I bet you're getting fed up of me by now! But, here's another couple of questions not really answered in any workshop manual. I had hoped to get the engine out today, but wanted to make sure first....all ready except the gear linkages.

Manuals state...remove linkages. Great...which end or both? Restoration book states to remove bolt from adjuster arm, but if I do that, I'll have to readjust when putting back together....why not take the arms off the rods coming out the gearbox? Is that possible? What does everyone do?

Also, the leads from the overdrive and reverse switch seem to go through metal keepers which are bolted on the top of the gearbox. Try as I might, I cannot get to the bolts....spent hours on my back trying and am now regretting it. Any ideas? I was wondering about either starting to take the engine out and then when I can see the gearbox top perhaps then undo. Or, just cut the cables and rejoin later?



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Post by Terry H » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:20 pm

If it's the three rod gear box the linkage is just held on by a clip that lifts and slides back over each of the shafts on the gearbox side panel. If you tie them up out of the way you should be OK after that. If you break one of the clips they are off Land Rover gear box's.
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Post by scimjim » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:33 pm

Don’t take the rods off the gearbox - bits will drop inside meaning you’ll need to take the box apart!

It doesn’t matter which end you disconnect but as Terry says, the simplest way is to unclip the 3 rods from the 3 arms.

I don’t recall gearbox mounted clips for the loom as standard - dropping the back and pulling the whole lot forwards should give you access though.


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Post by TrevorG » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:47 pm

Thanks guys....thought I recognised the clips....done many landys in past and have a defender as farm workhorse. Glad I didn't do anything before asking! Got the crane on the engine so will take the gearbox cross piece off tomorrow and let the gearbox back gently to see how to get the cables out. Going to put car back on the ground before taking the engine/gearbox out as the lift needed while up on stands is too much.



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Post by scimjim » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:32 pm

I would leave the front of the car in the air if possible - it gives you a bit more angle on the engine/box.


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Post by TrevorG » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:46 pm

Hi Jim, car is up on high axle stands, I was going to drop it onto the wheels and see what the angle was, but I think you have a good point, so I'll lower to a normal axle stand height, that way I'll have room in the rafters for the lift head as engine/box clears the nose of the car as well as room underneath. Cheers!

Everything is taking three times as long as it used to since I broke my back this time last year, straight after buying a spare engine, and then having to put everything on hold for six months, but I'm getting there.....never going to be concours but I'll be happy for the car to be presentable by end of next year.



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Post by mark rudder » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:16 am

Trevor, you'll need to try harder before anyone is fed up with you!


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Post by willholderogri » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:23 am

The car needs To be at last a foot off the ground to get the pair out together and put an old mattress or something similar under the gearbox


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Post by TrevorG » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:10 am

Many thanks guys, one foot off the ground should be fine, I'll measure the height available in roof more accurately today and hopefully enlist someone to give me a hand as well. Thanks for the support all, hopefully when the engine is out It'll be much easier for me.
I'm under the car on cow mats so will leave one under when the engine comes out to protect the gearbox end, thanks again for that input.



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Post by peter freeman » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:31 am

Don' forget to disconnect the speedo cable



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Post by Oldconn » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:19 am

You can save a lot of oily mess if you tape a freezer bag around the tail end of the gearbox. Nomatter how carefully you think you have drained it, there will always be some oil remaining inside which will dribble out as soon as you tilt it to start lifting. :)


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Post by scimjim » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:46 am

I put a drip tray under the gearbox - catches the oil and allows the tail to slide easily if it’s touching the floor.


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Post by scimjim » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:07 pm

scimjim wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:33 pm
I don’t recall gearbox mounted clips for the loom as standard - dropping the back and pulling the whole lot forwards should give you access though.
Just looked at a 6b and there are clips for the loom - but if you disconnect the plug by the wiper motor, the whole sub-loom will come out with the box.


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Post by TrevorG » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:23 pm

Thanks for all the advice 're gearbox, will also use a tray...jim, I'll have a look if the wiring loom has a plug, if not will cut the wires and make one as the wiring insulation under the car has gone brittle and cracked in places. Had to stop working on car for a couple of days as the shires decided the grass was greener in one of my other fields and took the fencing with them!



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Post by scimjim » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:08 pm

Okay - just removed 6b engine and box and the sub loom came out with the box EXCEPT FOR THE OVERDRIVE INHIBIT SWITCH (disconnect the solenoid power and snip the yellow/purple that Reliant kindly forgot to put a quick release plug on! The rest comes out with the box) :D
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