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Post by peter freeman » Tue May 12, 2015 8:09 pm

I knew they would make more money out of car sales.

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Re: Something to be aware of

Post by drcdb15 » Tue May 12, 2015 9:25 pm

At present, energy is subject to 5% VAT. By the time of the next election the majority of drivers will be using electric cars, recharged at home overnight. The government will then be faced with the challenge of how to separate domestic electricity going through the wire to your kettle (5% VAT) from that going to the charging point in your garage (charged at whatever they invent to replace revenues lost from fuel surcharges, VAT on fuel, excise duty and then more VAT on the excise duty). Taxes collected on car sales will be as nothing compared to taxes levied on domestic electricity. I wait with baited breath (no, I don't really ...) to see how they are going to tax us on using driverless cars. And who will be the "registered keeper" of a driverless car? I think we should be told :w


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Post by drcdb15 » Tue May 12, 2015 9:27 pm

And for insurance policies, who will be the "main driver" ??? :lol:


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Re: Something to be aware of

Post by Poppy » Tue May 12, 2015 9:53 pm

And if it has an accident who do you put down as the driver?
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Post by scimjim » Tue May 12, 2015 10:28 pm

drcdb15 wrote:By the time of the next election the majority of drivers will be using electric cars...
really :shock:


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Post by philhoward » Tue May 12, 2015 10:32 pm

I'll let you know when I get the company car list...


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Post by scimjim » Tue May 12, 2015 10:35 pm

I must admit, I see an i8 nearly every day now - but the majority - I'm not so sure?


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Post by philhoward » Tue May 12, 2015 10:40 pm

Golf GTE (yes..) - £33k with the Government grant. 30 mile range in full electric mode which is my current daily commute. Luckily there's a charging station on the road outside the office.


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Post by scimmy_man » Tue May 12, 2015 11:04 pm

The problem is I did 112 miles today for work, ok I spent 45 mins in the office half way but...........


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Post by philhoward » Wed May 13, 2015 5:53 am

That's why I suspect range extender hybrids (like the Golf GTE) will be more popular than just electric (e-Golf, Leaf etc) - outside of London anyway.


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Re: Something to be aware of

Post by Terry H » Wed May 13, 2015 8:53 am

Hmmm,
Driverless cars, does this mean we will have car owners who haven't passed a driving test because they don't need one as they are never going to drive. Come to think of it, there are a lot of people on the road today who cant park a car properly, and cant reverse a car properly, don't know how to do a three point turn, some of them shouldn't be on the road, so maybe a car that doesn't need someone controlling it could be good for them.
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Re: Something to be aware of

Post by drcdb15 » Wed May 13, 2015 12:33 pm

scimjim wrote:
drcdb15 wrote:By the time of the next election the majority of drivers will be using electric cars...
really :shock:
Well Jim, this is not an exact science of course, but some years ago I witnessed a discussion in my office between young hi-tech engineers who had just spotted my mobile phone. At the time I was about 58, and these "lads" were late 20s/early 30s (lads to me but in fact responsible grown men with young families) and they started swapping stories along the lines of "ah remember when ah were a lad ..." - and the phones they were reminiscing about were all of THREE years old!

The uptake of new technologies these days is extremely fast, and it's easy to forget how young something is that the population at large take for granted, as if it's always been there.

We are already at the stage where cars are marketed as whole-life white goods, and regarded by many (and I suspect the MAJORITY of under 35s) as 'black boxes' - you buy it, you use it for a while, it breaks (or more likely, a new fashion becomes available), you dump it and get a new one. It's many years now since mobile phones have been positioned in the marketplace as fashion goods rather than communication devices, and cars are very rapidly going the same way.

Once it becomes a matter of fashion rather than technical rationale, you can be very sure the uptake will be effectively total within a year.


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Post by scimjim » Wed May 13, 2015 12:55 pm

we shall see - hybrid perhaps but I'm not convinced we'll be anywhere near 50% electric in 5 years (and certainly hope we're not unless there is a leap in battery technology and we can recycle them significantly better than we do today :-))


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Post by drcdb15 » Wed May 13, 2015 3:35 pm

Why batteries? Look at the leaps in solar cell efficiency in the past 3 or 4 years. About 3 years ago having solar panels on the roof was an oddity. Today it's on pretty much all of the new house builds in the south, it's on school roofs, even on all new road signs. Last December the local Christmas lights were powered from little solar panels discreetly mounted on top of the local lamposts, and that's in our hick little Sussex market town, I can imagine London is at least 3 years ahead of us. Why not on car roofs, bonnets, tailgates within the next 5 years? I can tell you that back in the early 2000s, and that's over 10 years ago now, I was involved in a project that was looking at remote electric recharging from lampposts - as you drive by, microwave transmitters in each lampost would give a short burst of energy to an on-board battery, making the car's range almost infinite.

Here's another one: remember when kids first got those trainers with piezo-electric units in the heels, linked to LEDs on the uppers or sole sides? Each footstep generated a charge via the piezo crystal which was used to power the LED and make it flash pretty colours. One of our engineers came to me to discuss the concept of using this to recharge the wearer's mobile phone as he walked along. The issue (which we never solved at the time) was how to get the energy generated in the shoe transmitted wirelessly to the phone battery typically in the user's jacket pocket. So at the time the idea stalled. But a few years later I saw another company was looking at a similar concept and they had found a way to transmit that level of energy that same sort of distance.

I don't think we have anything on the technology front to stop us going all electric within 5 years. What *will* be a barrier is the vested commercial interests in the established carbon fuels technologies. I worked on a technology back in the nineties which eliminated the need to paint car interior trim parts. We spoke at length with Ford, but they'd just invested over $40M in a new high throughput painting plant in Portugal. They weren't about to walk away from that, now were they. The only thing that would have forced them to adopt our technology was legislation.

But increasingly, we are getting that legislation, witness the change in car paint base from oils to acrylics (is that right? well, you know what I mean, the legislation for low VOC) and more recently the ruling by the EU that the UK is breaking its NOX emissions limits by too many diesel engines (which I think is where we came in!). One obvious strategy which I have read somewhere is to have another (diesel) vehicle scrappage scheme and some sort of tax incentive on electrics. Plus a few celebrity endorsements - suppose Russell Brand and Clarkson came out in favour of electric cars.....

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Post by alan.wells » Fri May 15, 2015 3:16 pm

There is going to be a discussion on Watchdog next Thursday 21st at 8ish I think, BBC1 regarding the new con of the Road Fund Licence, might be worth a look.
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