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Post by scimjim » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:07 pm

Yes, I think he means Mike, not Paul :D


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Post by DARK STAR » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:38 pm

Mike McCartney (mcGear)
Um yes CCM 1C could be on any LATER car but not on a B reg one.
Could be chassis 9, 10, 12 ...


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Post by DARK STAR » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:44 am

Or, as I suggested earlier, Reliant may have decided to sell the car a few months after the other B-registered ones 8)
Two things puzzle me, is there no photo of Mr McCartney with his treasured CCM 1C, his SE5 didn't have this number either ?
and can anyone confirm that GBG 540E is the same car, I think not ?
Note that 0007 the irs prototype is also C reg.

Another puzzle, now I have rendered it legible :) Glass's Guide shows chassis numbers starting at 400010 in may '65 -
are all the B reg (and one or two C reg :wink: ) cars classed as prototypes?
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Post by scimjim » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:10 am

Pre-production cars, like the first seven SE6 I suppose?


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Post by roymck » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:12 am

It doesn’t give the chassis number for the first 9 cars so how would he know it’s the first car by the chassis number on glass,s guide .Most people would assume that chassis No1 was the first Coupe. Every possibility that the first 9 cars would have been considered prototypes . 02 and 07 certainly were.
No evidence that Coupe Chassis No1 ever existed is there?
AUE 38B did not have a SC Chassis prefix it was prefixed as a Sabre with a SS prefix . However I could be wrong it could have been prefixed HS but definitely not a SC, it was a long time ago and the memory is getting a bit poor now. The car has disappeared we assume but did the log book get thrown away. When I raced the car I always said the car should have been in the same class as the Sabres because of the chassis number and because it was outclassed by the V6 Coupe,s that I had to run against.



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Post by philynnbob » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:55 am

I would take by the original reference to “the Glass,s guide book proves it was the first coupe “would mean chassis number 10
(If indeed a straight 6 car)
Or 400401 (V6 3LCar)
Or 425001 (V6 2.5L car)



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Post by David Tew » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:23 am

I think half the problem lies in the apparent inaccuracy of Reliant chassis numbers. For example, my Coupe is chassis 400856 yet it is definitely an SE4b with the later interior mods despite Reliant stating this wasn't introduced until 400901. Very frustratingly, I've been told by a well-known Scimitar trader (not local to me :wink: ) that I couldn't possibly have a "b" as the chassis number is too early, he simply ignored the physical evidence! I'm sure there are other cars in a similar situation.

Chris, here's a suggestion. We have an opportunity to get this register absolutely correct so perhaps we could start listing cars with their actual model type rather than bunching them together by chassis number? A continuous list of chassis numbers with an extra column for the model would achieve this and it would add useful information. The present list could be used and updated as information is received. I'm happy to help set this up. :)


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Post by Edzed » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:03 am

DARK STAR wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:44 am
Two things puzzle me, is there no photo of Mr McCartney with his treasured CCM 1C, his SE5 didn't have this number either ?
and can anyone confirm that GBG 540E is the same car, I think not ?
Unfortunately I don't have a photo. The only evidence I have is a private message from Mike McCartney. I'd queried his ownership of GBG 540E via his FB site and his reply via iMessage was as follows.... " My Scimitar was Khaki green with black interior but plate was CCM 1C with 2nd C more like an O.. ger it?"... I don't have any reason to doubt him. I then sent him the monochrome publicity photo of him with the car, which he was pleased to receive and subsequently tweeted it.

I fail to see how this registration could have been applied to any early car, although it may well have been sold on later.


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Post by DavePoole » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:34 am

Mike McCartney (aka Mike McGear) owned a couple of Scimitar. I was sent this newspaper clip, but sadly with no other details and I can't see the reg plate, although I'm wondering if this was:

Mike told me: "Dear Dave, Charlie Leek from Argyle Motors, Bhead found my 1st khaki, black interior Scimitar plate CCM 1C (nearest he cud get to COMIC)(Tarby had that!)and I thort I looked real kewl in my 1st sporty babe magnet"

Mike also said his car could be spotted a number of times in the Magic Mystery Tour film as he followed them around in it 8)
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Post by Edzed » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:50 am

I don't think that's Mike's car in the pic Dave. The wire wheels suggest it's a straight six and the pic below, which was presumably taken soon after he got GBG has steel wheels.
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Post by DARK STAR » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:36 pm

Thanks Dave, I can now remove the Magical Mystery Tour car from the 'unknown' list :wink:
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Post by philynnbob » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:39 pm

DavePoole wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:34 am
Mike McCartney (aka Mike McGear) owned a couple of Scimitar. I was sent this newspaper clip, but sadly with no other details and I can't see the reg plate, although I'm wondering if this was:

Mike told me: "Dear Dave, Charlie Leek from Argyle Motors, Bhead found my 1st khaki, black interior Scimitar plate CCM 1C (nearest he cud get to COMIC)(Tarby had that!)and I thort I looked real kewl in my 1st sporty babe magnet"

Mike also said his car could be spotted a number of times in the Magic Mystery Tour film as he followed them around in it 8)

CM was a Birkenhead registration



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Post by DARK STAR » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:06 pm

Of course, the registration GBG 540E is from 1967 and the film is ... from 1967 :mrgreen:

David, surely the chassis numbers are fairly indicative of the model (allowing for Reliant's overlap policy :lol: ) ?
Mine has elements of both A and B (not to mention SE5, SE6, Aston Martin and Middlebridge, but that came later).
I have taken Matt's division of SE4/a/b/c which I believe is the 'official' version apart from the first 10.

For the time being I will list CCM 1C as chassis 0010 with a question mark.


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Post by David Tew » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:50 pm

Hi Chris. My point was that the chassis numbers aren't indicative of the model and it's the overlap details which would be of interest (to me, at least). :wink:

Matt's division is absolutely correct according to Reliant. However, Reliant's list is incorrect when you relate it to the cars and this can cause hassle when looking for parts. I take your point about certain elements being changed over the years, mine has a rear axle from a Thwaites dumper truck but it is still pure SE4b inside.

Never mind, perhaps my car is a one-off being an SE4b with a pre-901 chassis number and maybe this will increase it's value when I come to sell it (which is never!). :lol:

No criticism intended at all to you and Matt, it's just my enquiring mind and a few hours spare that made me wonder. :)


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Post by scimjim » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:25 pm

Didn’t Mike have a GTE too? Is it possible that he had two coupes (he did say “1st....Scimitar” to Dave)?


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