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Post by peter freeman » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:06 pm

Interestingly having looked at the photo and checked it against the drawing I made the white/red I have done as white/brown. Knowing that white/red is the norm I wondered why I had done white/brown so I looked at the Reliant drawing I had worked from and Reliant have done them as white/brown. I will have to change all the SS1/Sabre drawings to show white/red as they should be. Not a great hassle just time consuming and with our trip to the international coming up it could be a few weeks before I get them done.



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Post by Ian Lock » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:45 pm

If you take the little crosshead screw out the rear part comes away, then jump the Brown Terminal to the White Terminal the Ignition Light will come on and you will hear the Ignition Relay click ( over by the glove box ). If you then jump the Brown Terminal to the White / Green Terminal the Radio will come on. Then if you jump the Brown Terminal to the White /Red terminal the Starter will Engage.

That will tell you the Switch has failed.

A replacement part ie. just the rear part will cost about £40

Hope this helps.

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Post by peter freeman » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:46 pm

All drawings amended - I am quicker than I thought I would be.



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Post by Ian Lock » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:58 pm

My info came from doing it to my rear part of the Switch, to find out what was wrong and also studying the SE6a wiring diagram I have.

By doing this I managed to remove and repaired my Switch and put it back and all is fine now.



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Post by scimjim » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:19 pm

This is a small sports as phil mentioned, so there is no ignition relay (or glovebox) :D


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Post by Moschops » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:19 pm

Ian Lock wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:45 pm
A replacement part ie. just the rear part will cost about £40
Ye Gods. Almost worth breaking the wires out into a separate little box of three switches and just taping that to the dashboard; a fiver's worth of flick-switches and tape :)


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Post by scimjim » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:21 pm

Many of us have spares available - new ones can be found cheaper if you shop around.


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Post by Moschops » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:27 pm

scimjim wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:21 pm
Many of us have spares available - new ones can be found cheaper if you shop around.
That is good, because after I wrote that I thought about having three such switches in a little line ready for flicking, and I really quite like the idea! Each one with a little glowing LED. Renders the SS1 a bit prone to theft, but it's not exactly a hotwirer's nightmare scenario as it is. If I conclude that this is the part in need of replacing, I'll stick a begging letter in the appropriate section :)


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Post by scimjim » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:29 pm

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Post by scimjim » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:36 pm

I’m away for the weekend so can’t double check - but I think it’s generic BL like this?


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Post by Moschops » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:54 pm

Well, good news from a diagnostic perspective! With the turny bit turned to position I (such that the clock comes on), and then a screwdriver across the brown (+12V) and the white (position II), that position's circuit completes - fuel pump makes whirring noise, lights on dashboard come on to complain about the battery and the oil and everything else I habitually ignore. Thanks very much all; another win for the SS1 forum. If I can keep it alive for another decade I'll be happy :)

So, I need a new one of those. Part number 94159 ("Ignition Switch c/w Harness"). Very happy to be guided on this; if someone can point me at a matching replacement, be it on a supplier's website or an eBay special, I can keep taking this forward. Jim, is that one you linked to above the right one? I like the look of it - it's got screws for attaching the wires, rather than the awkward solder of my current one. Or if anyone has one they'd like to sell onwards, happy to pay a fair price plus a few quid extra for a beer.

Bonus question for five points! I know I've seen this before. I know I know what it is... but it's not coming to mind. What's this? I know it's familiar; I even think I remember putting it in but I can't remember where. I am not thrilled with the way my memory seems to be headed!

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Think it dropped free while I was in the electrics under the steering wheel.


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Post by philhoward » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:21 pm

That’s the internals from “a” switch by the looks of it, although probably not an ignition switch. Light switch possibly?


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Post by scimjim » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:39 pm

Yep, main light switch.
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Post by Moschops » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:18 pm

Bingo. I did put it in. I replaced that light switch a while ago. Knew I'd touched it before! Thanks very much.

Anyone got a part 94159? If someone could confirm (or not) that the ebay one linked to above will fit, I'll get that one.


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Post by philhoward » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:42 pm

The switch blocks of that era are all basically the same - cable length and pin configuration on the connector might change though.


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