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Re: Trial SS1

Post by scimjim » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:07 pm

yes but 2 things - they may need small spacers - not sure you can run spacers in trials? I bought them because they had brand new road tyres on - you're going to want something a little more aggresive IMHO?


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Re: Trial SS1

Post by stevesims » Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:28 pm

just got back from yorkshire after picking my car up from chester-le-street.
Its along way from plymouth!
so far the car is as described in the ebay ad, the chassis is a galv, 1.9 stage 2 engine with receipt from specialised engines.
I will take some pictures tomorow to post on scimweb.



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Re: Trial SS1

Post by stevesims » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:05 pm

I need to put a sump guard under the car, the sump sits proud of the chassis by an inch.
my plan is to raise the engine by spacing the engine mounts by the inch.
I will need to mod the bonnet as the K&N is rubbing already.
has anyone raised the engine?,will the drive train be ok?



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Re: Trial SS1

Post by stevesims » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:09 pm

back to steel wheels again, Honda civic are 100x pcd
will they fit ? I cant have spacers (trials regs)



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Re: Trial SS1

Post by scimjim » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:17 pm

stevesims wrote:back to steel wheels again, Honda civic are 100x pcd
will they fit ? I cant have spacers (trials regs)
should be ok Steve - there's some spreadsheets like this one out there to check offsets.
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Re: Trial SS1

Post by scimjim » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:21 pm

stevesims wrote:I need to put a sump guard under the car, the sump sits proud of the chassis by an inch.
my plan is to raise the engine by spacing the engine mounts by the inch.
I will need to mod the bonnet as the K&N is rubbing already.
has anyone raised the engine?,will the drive train be ok?
an inch should be ok - maybe do some trig and shim the gearbox mount a smidge and space the diff mounts a gnats wotsit (technical wot :-)) to keep the alignment bang on?

The bonnet is doubled skinned, so it's easy to cut a hole in the inside surface only.


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Re: Trial SS1

Post by reliant-reviver » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:24 pm

Offset looks too high in my books. Again I'd recommend some Mazda MX5 steels, perfect fit and pretty readily available.

Surely it would be better to make a sump guard that sits lower than the chassis than raise up the engine and C of G.


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Re: Trial SS1

Post by geoffp67 » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:34 pm

Raise the whole car on longer springs - chevette ideal for the front - someone else on here has done that - it just happens that I have a set



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Re: Trial SS1

Post by stevesims » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:37 pm

good tip about the bonnet, Jim
I have been offered six civic wheels , hence the question.
I think it would be easier to raise the engine so I can bolt a solid skid plate across the chassis to protect the sump.
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Re: Trial SS1

Post by AndrewGreen » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:16 pm

At what height does the sump on a 1600 CVH engined car sit in relation to the chassis rails?
Steve's car has the 1900 US block. Would it's sump be deeper? Could it be swapped for a 1600 sump and pick-up if different?

I see on the wheel fitment guide that both the Civic and MX5 wheels have offsets between 35 and 45, whilst the E30 BMW is only 15 to 20. Would the Jap wheels fit without spacers?

R.R. do you know if the MX5 steel wheels are available in 14" diameter. Steve wouldn't really want to drop down to 13" and the MCC SSR's won't allow you to go up to 15" and hence use the BINI wheels.

Lots of questions from me, but somehow I think I might get dragged into Steve's madness :D :D

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Re: Trial SS1

Post by stevesims » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:25 pm

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Re: Trial SS1

Post by scimjim » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:34 pm

I think the 1900s additional block height is above the engine mounts but the sump is also deeper - I have both in the garage so could check.

the 1600 sump won't fit but with the 1600 pick up you can cut & shut the 1900 sump.

Bear in mind that almost no parts are interchangeable between 1600 & 1900 Steve - when you decide to fit an 1800 for the better low down torque, I'm still after the 1900 :-)


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Re: Trial SS1

Post by nickkeyser » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:37 pm

Sump 1" below the chassis is very low - not normal.

Sounds like the engine mounts have sagged, the engine mounts have been modified to sit lower, or it's the wrong sump.

Either way, I would sart with some replacement enginemounts (stiffer land rover ones like Phil As are worth considering) and then check it's an SS1 sump and not a FWD sump. May be worth considering tweeking the baffles if the cars likely to spend it's life at funny angles.

I would attempt to loose the height out of the sump, not move the engine up. The bonnet can be single skinned around the air filter, gaining 10-15mm without cutting a hole in the outer skin of 'the bonnet.


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Re: Trial SS1

Post by nickkeyser » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:40 pm

There where a lot of replies between starting my previous post and posting it - sorry for duplicating anything.

Jim, my 1900 has been drilled and tweaked to take a 1600 sump amongst other things.
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Re: Trial SS1

Post by scimjim » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:41 pm

will the SS1 sump fit a 1900 Nick?

ah - beat me to it. mines two sumps welded together :-)


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