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Post by BigBobPilot » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:47 pm

Yep, they suffer very bad rust.


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Post by drcdb15 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:00 pm

philhoward wrote:
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For some reason though an X-type is either a pile of dust not long after its 10th birthday or soldiers on for ever?
My first 2004 bought in 2008 was sold on in 2016, still passing its MoT fine, and the replacement Sov is 2007 and now 12 years old. Neither car has had any MoT advisory for bodywork corrosion, it's always been the usual wear and tear like scored discs or sloppy bushes. Neither car ever failed an MoT except once for rear link bushes. So maybe I've just been lucky in choosing the cars I have.

Maybe the X-type - which was after all a volume car so likely to have had its fair share of couldn't-give-a-toss owners - is a car that really is fine as long as it's treated properly.

Whatever, if you're right about a 10 year life, since they stopped making them in 2009 any car still passing its MoT today should come into the soldiers-on-for-ever category, and so should be a safe buy.


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Post by erikscimitardemon » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:30 am

Jaguar and rust, all known issues.
As longs your prospective car is OK, no problem.
LPG no problem, high milages (km) no problem. But is should run well on petrol too! If not, it is a sign of lack of maintenace.
Dutch cars are not more prone to rust than in other countries.
If you want me to, I can select a nice Jag for you overhere. PM me if interested.
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Post by DARK STAR » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:28 pm

Thanks Erik, of course you are in the trade - a useful contact 8)
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Post by DARK STAR » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:25 pm

The other day Google reminded me that I was looking for an X Type Break :shock:
And proposed this one, with every option (even an electric sunroof), 110 000 genuine km, full service history ... at Geneva.
And amazingly inexpensive.

So I consulted easyJet and with a return ticket at 80 euros I went to Geneva Airport for the day - a 40 minute flight.
The garage is 2 km from the airport and they collected me in the Jaguar, very impressive.
Apart from the fact that some cretin had gently rubbed his 4x4 up one side of the car I couldn't find anything to criticise, it is like new.

Without much hope I asked what was their best price - for cash :wink:
And bought it for 3 700 euros.

Being Switzerland, AND France, the paperwork and additional costs are frightening.
For example, swiss numberplates are attributed to a person, not a car, so if you buy a car it is not registered.
To drive it home I must get a provisional french registration and go back with the numberplates (and paperwork).

First step is to get a Certificat de Conformité, for which Jaguar France want 240 euros - this is TWICE as much as Porsche :roll:
I won't go into detail on the forum :? but I need to confirm a few details if anyone can please help - the car is a 2,5 V6 4 wheel drive estate ...
D2 Type variant version = ? (3 litre is NAW1AC25CCCJ)
D3 Denomination commerciale = X250 ? (I think the 3 litre is X300)
K Type approval number = E11*96/79*0079*03 ? (this is a genuine 3 litre code unless some joker has put asterisks in place of figures)

I have the swiss versions of the above but they are visibly completely different from the european figures.
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Post by scimjim » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:32 pm

X400 is the x-type, X300 is the XJ, X250 is the XF.

They are ridiculously cheap but I couldn’t find a 4WD estate with an auto box when I was last looking.


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Post by DARK STAR » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:43 pm

Ah, thanks Jim, I should have known there was no logic in it.
It seems I am referring to an XJ spec, on checking the type approval number the asterisks are ok but it is for a year 2000 XJ 3250cc.
Any ideas on the other points?


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Post by scimjim » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:52 pm

this Jagforum thread suggests Jag UK charged £100 for the C of C (this was a RHD UK car being registered in France).


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Post by DARK STAR » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:12 pm

Yes Jaguar UK charge 100 sterling, but they want photos of the numbers stamped everywhere on the car and it's 600 km away and the garage has closed for xmas :roll:

Anyway, my researches have finally paid off - in case anyone else needs it here is a genuine CoC (not a brilliant image but legible) ...
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Post by scimjim » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:52 pm

Excellent - and you’ve found the VIN info I presume (51 is a saloon)

http://www.the-colliers.net/docs/public ... 1-2009.pdf


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Post by DARK STAR » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:15 am

Wow, that's enormous, thanks Jim.
I have the registration document so I know the VIN (also the type approval etc, but in version swiss :roll: )
My car is code 56, the document is so faint I haven't even tried to scan it.


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Post by _Zeb_ » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:04 pm

If you need some assistance in Geneva, do not hesitate to ask.
Regarding the license plates, if the vendor is close from the border and if he is nice, he can come with you to the customs and then you can switch the plates with WW (temporary french plates).
Else, what I have done with my MGB bought in Switzerland, I have rent a small truck (3t5) to carry the car.
For the papers, it has been easy, for old cars (30 years) this is a piece of cake and you pay only 5% of fees.
In Germany this is the same and the previous owner of my SE5a just asked me to send the plates back once in France (800km). Of course I have paid the fine for over-speed, oops :)
This one is not a LPG car, this is a good point, LPG in France could be tricky, and I'm not sure that importing a system, from Netherland for example, is feasible and the french MOT will be an issue if this is not properly registered.



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Post by DARK STAR » Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:06 pm

The garage is literally a few hundred metres from the border, but I'm not sure where the nearest frontier post is.

My current puzzle is, how to actually get a WW registration, the government site goes round in circles and brings me back to 'what is a temporary registration'.
To ask for a normal registration, easy-peasy but no mention of a temporary one.
One very comprehensive blog on internet says you go to the préfecture, but the official website says you do everything online.
I asked my friendly local MoT centre and he thought it was the préfecture but he doesn't really know.
I 'phoned the préfecture but the robot didn't know either, I suppose I'll have to go and spend half a day wandering around their corridors.

One item of good news which I came across by chance, if the vehicle is of european origin you don't have to pay the 10% (plus VAT) import fee.
For the moment the UK is european so I hope I can count on that at least.


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Post by DARK STAR » Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:08 pm

A month of :bh :bh :bh
According to which authority you ask you have various problems
You can't get a WW plate until you have settled the customs procedure (and payment)
You can't settle the customs until the car is in France or at least at the frontier
You can't hire a transporter truck strong enough for a Jaguar (max 1300 kg)
You can't go with a garagist friend and his trade plates because they are not valid in Swizzerland
Finally I found a transport firm who quoted a reasonable price and sent them off to Geneva
At the last minute I found a customs handling company in Cannes who would take my money (officially!)
So the forms were sorted and the fees paid (almost 1000 euros :cry: ) while the transporter was on its way
And the swiss numberplates ?
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Post by Rattling » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:11 pm

It all sounds an horrendous task and cost you're having to go through and I would have thought it would have been fairly simple given you're all in the EU apart from Switzerland, hope you can get though the red tape soon 👍


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