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Post by DARK STAR » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:18 am

The restoration will take a week or two then :lol:
Well done and good luck with it.
Any idea what happened to the blue one?


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Post by Dcrosby13 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:40 am

It was also for sale along with this but I didn't have the space for both, looks like it sold to someone else. I am going to have to use another chassis with a V5 as I have no chance of retrieving the identity of this one. I saw a cool looking Coupe on a SE5 chassis at Curborough this year and it's had us thinking about doing the same as I have a good SE5 chassis with a V5



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Post by Geraint SabreGTCse5 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:54 am

Dcrosby13 wrote:
Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:40 am
It was also for sale along with this but I didn't have the space for both, looks like it sold to someone else. I am going to have to use another chassis with a V5 as I have no chance of retrieving the identity of this one. I saw a cool looking Coupe on a SE5 chassis at Curborough this year and it's had us thinking about doing the same as I have a good SE5 chassis with a V5
i wouldn't DVLA are seriously clamping down on "modified" vehicles, you could go to great lengths changing and modifying the 4 body to fit a 5 chassis and find you can't register it correctly/legally...... if you are referring to the the metallic green coupe/with 5 front end owned by graham walker that was done at the "factory" and the 5 chassis was extensively modified which again is a DVLA no no these days. lots of classic car owners being caught out and having their registration's revoked by not being aware of the implications of modifying a vehicle.


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Post by scimjim » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:47 am

I suspect he's talking about Richard Carter's racer?
Geraint SabreGTCse5 wrote:
Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:54 am

i wouldn't DVLA are seriously clamping down on "modified" vehicles, you could go to great lengths changing and modifying the 4 body to fit a 5 chassis and find you can't register it correctly/legally......
Nothing wrong with a body swap (even modifying the body) on a standard separate chassis car is there?


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Post by Geraint SabreGTCse5 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:56 am

scimjim wrote:
Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:47 am
I suspect he's talking about Richard Carter's racer?
Geraint SabreGTCse5 wrote:
Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:54 am

i wouldn't DVLA are seriously clamping down on "modified" vehicles, you could go to great lengths changing and modifying the 4 body to fit a 5 chassis and find you can't register it correctly/legally......
Nothing wrong with a body swap (even modifying the body) on a standard separate chassis car is there?
standard body swap like for like no issues, on unmodified chassis, but Dcosby13 wasn't talking about a like for like swap ..........also modifying a body will depend on the extent of the changes, proposals coming into force will cause issues to vehicles that have been changed to a convertible or a pick up....


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Post by scimjim » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:22 pm

A couple of extracts from a recent DVLA workshop attended by FHVBC

24. There was an acceptance of the difference between a monocoque construction and vehicles with separate chassis and there appeared to be a revised interpretation of accepting new bodies on existing vehicles, either as like for like or bodies of an appropriate style, even if changing from a saloon to a tourer for example. On the other hand, a vehicle built from parts from different donor vehicles would require a Q plate if it had a new body. (Reconstructed classics class - not what we're talking about)

Q: What about where vehicles with a separate chassis have had a replacement body not like for like, e.g. a saloon body being replaced by a new tourer body.
A: In general, it should be a like for like change; however, if the replacement body was of a type (style) in keeping for the manufacturer for the year, this may be acceptable; however, DVLA would need as much evidence as possible and it would be on a case by case basis.


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Post by Dcrosby13 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:11 pm

Thanks gents, I was referring to the Carter coupe and I am not necessarily looking to road register the car but those last bits you found sounds like it might not be an issue after all.



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Post by Dcrosby13 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:14 pm

The other question I have is how they intend to police this?



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Post by scimjim » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:46 pm

They've started enforcing the laws that have been in place for decades (8 point rule) and things like the forthcoming 40 year MOT exemption (in line with historic class VED) will outline enforcement methods for older cars - not unreasonable to think that those powers will filter across to all cars?


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Post by Dcrosby13 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:28 am

OK so for arguments sake this conversion takes place and I take it to my local friendly mot station and they have no idea what a coupe should look like but deem the car structurally and mechanically sound/safe and it passes its mot. What would trigger the DVLA to inspect the car at that point and apply the 8 point rule and how are the DVLA going to be knowledgeable enough to know the the SE5 chassis is not in fact an SE4 chassis? If anyone has a better way of returning this car to running form then I am open to suggestions, please bare in mind that the current chassis is literally dust and the car has had its identity stolen as they are the two main issues I am facing



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Post by scimjim » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:46 am

Currently, providing you don't modify a chassis (within the perimeter of the original), you can put whatever body shell you like on top.

You could "repair your existing chassis' or find a donor with identity. There are no other options that I can think of.


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Post by efi_sprintgte » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:03 am

Regardless of identity and legalities, it's no small job as either the 5 chassis needs to be shrunk or the coupe shell stretched.



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Post by upstart8s » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:43 am

I believe there is a bloke in Australia building coupe new coupe chassis (we've all seen and admired the "mermar74" thread). If they were available, would that facilitate an acceptable rebuild? (Just out of curiosity)
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Post by gtcse8 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:54 am

Victor Fox
He has made a brilliant job too.


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Post by scimjim » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:58 am

Not in UK no, a new chassis is only acceptable if it's provided by the "manufacturer".


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