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Ti gearbox capacity

Post by alan.wells » Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:40 pm

Hi All,
I have tried the "search facility" but failled, can anyone let me know the gearbox capacity and EP number for my 18ti SST.
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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by scimjim » Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:53 pm

I ran an old fashioned search (in the manual :D ) and it says 2.1 liter (sic) / 3 3/4 imp pt but doesn't say what oil that I can see?


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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by Geert-Jan » Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:06 pm

Alan,

From the service manual page 163 : oil capacity 2.1 liter (3.75 lmp pt, whatever that stands for ;-)
Oil is SAE 80 I heard through others.

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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by alan.wells » Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:11 pm

Many thanks, Jim & Geert,
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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by scimjim » Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:20 pm

dragged out the Nissan and Ford manuals and they say:

Engine (turbo): API SE (API SF/CC & SF/CD are also recommended)
capacity: 3.8 litres with oil filter, 3.5 without.

Gearbox (manual) API GL-4
capacity: 2.1 litres / 3.75 pints (elsewhere in the same manual it states 2 litres / 3.5 pints)

Diff (non LSD) API GL5
capacity: 0.90 litres / 1.58 pints

SAE viscosity is then determined by the temperature range (ambient) anticipated before next oil change:

Engine:

minus ten deg C upwards: 20W-20, 20W-40, 20W-50
minus twenty deg C upwards: 15W-50, 10W-30, 10W-40, 10W-50
minus twenty to plus fifteen only: 10W
plus fifteen to below minus thirty: 5W-30
minus ten to below minus thirty: 5W-20 (or just stay indoors :D )

however it then states that for turbo engines use 10W-30, 10W-40, 10W-50, 15W-50, 20W-20, 20W-40 or 20W-50 except under extremely cold conditions. Use 5W-30 only under extremely cold conditions.

Gearbox:

plus ten to below minus thirty: 75W
plus thirty to below minus thirty: 80W
plus forty to below minus thirty: 75W-90, 80W-90
plus thirty to minus ten: 85W
plus forty to zero: 90
plus ten to above plus forty: 140

Diff: 90 (taken from UK Haynes manual for Sierra)

I've added engine and diff data so that it can be posted as a sticky or in the members section by a passing mod - it also answers this question


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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by geoffp67 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:05 pm

For gearbox, use GL4 - NOT GL5 or GL4/5
GL5 contains chemicals that will damage the bronze/brass components found in the gearbox
suitable viscosity:for UK etc, 75/90 or 80/90



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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by Ben Kenobe » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:18 pm

Thanks Jim can you come and clear the fox you shot now ... I've been using 5w-30 (Shell Helix Ultra) since it is used in the Disco and the Passat, not going to lose much sleep yet since my Turbo is in need of a spell on a workbench. I wonder what the higher winter viscosity is intended to achieve.


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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by geoffp67 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:14 pm

imho
the very thin oils w30 are usually intended for long-interval servicing, ie left in for too long, the oil thickens up over time with soots etc. IF we changed oil every 6 months we'd still be using 10w40, but given the price of the specified oils no-one does. MY golf has a pd engine and genuinly needs fancy additives in the oil



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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by Ben Kenobe » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:12 pm

If you buy oil from VW you will get VW brand, if you go in the workshop you will find drums of Shell Helix, I have also had a VW in the family since the 80's frst one was a Scirocco - currently a 170ps 2.0 Tdi Passat, sound cars, wife won't drive anything else since being broadsided on a roundabout.

The thinner oils are for a combination of reasons, fuel economy, tighter engineering tolerances to name two, I think the turbos can pass some oil if the oil is thinner perhaps but I can't see the engine minding over much, the anti friction and anti shear properties of modern fully synthetics are light years ahead of the stuff available even as little as 15 years ago.


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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by geoffp67 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:23 pm

My first car was a very secondhand mk2 scirrocco, had it for over 7 years, well built, big boot and never went wrong. Looked the part too



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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by Oaksey » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:29 pm

I had a Scirocco aswell :D a 1986 1.6 GT. It wasn't MOTd and never was. I sold it to a guy who said he was going to restore it, but i saw it for sale 6 months later in the the same condition :(


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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by geoffp67 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:35 pm

I've never much liked ropey tinny styless eurojapboxes. When I bought the vw Id been looking at the everyday equivalent back then, escorts, astras, that sort of thing, at 7 years old and £1500 they were junk. Today, £1500 is worth a lot less but buys a lot more car.



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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by Ben Kenobe » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:40 pm

My Scirrocco was a GTII, was all fine until the fuel filler corroded through and all the road dirt and road spray from the back wheel was going into the tank, wreaked havok with the injection system, but I liked that car, that was the only problem I ever had with it, never missed a beat - none of my VW's have - that's why I buy 'em.


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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by reliant-reviver » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:51 pm

Will anyone second the "don't use GL5" statement? Only one doesn't quite have 2L's of GL4 in stock and wants to fill the bugger up! If not I'll have to pick some up tomorrow, just wanted the car back down by lunch time that was all.


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Re: Ti gearbox capacity

Post by geoffp67 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:52 pm

put in what youve got and get another bottle



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