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Post by peter freeman » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:26 am

Might be worth removing the rocker box cover and seeing that the valve timing is in line with the No1 TDC and the rotor position - You should be able to observe all them as you turn the engine by hand.



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Post by scimjim » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:46 am

Dave Eddy wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:15 pm
once its running and warms up its fine.?????
This doesn't fit in with a mechanical timing issue?


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Post by peter freeman » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:50 am

II would seem it doesn't fit with any issue



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Post by Dave Eddy » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:31 am

checked the cam gear position,TDC position with rockers rocking, cam-belt in correct position , ALL GOOD, onto the dizzy-cam angle checks next.



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Post by CNHSS1 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:55 am

Worth noting that the pic in the manual shows the dot on the distrib gear but as the teeth are chemically cut, it's easy to get the distrib 1 x tooth out (it rotates as you insert it)


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Post by Dave Eddy » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:23 pm

I think it says misalign the 2 dots (advance the cam side one so as you insert it it rotates back into alignement !
That’s my interpretation !



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Post by old bean » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:58 pm

old bean wrote:
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insert the Dizzy so that the stamped indent on the Dizzy cog turns back one notch and lines up with the timing line on the Dizzy shaft when the Dizzy is fully inserted
With the rocker cover removed you'll be able to check for correct timing mark alignment (12 o'clock) when the dizzy is installed.



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Post by Corky » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:28 am

Dave Eddy wrote:
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I think it says misalign the 2 dots (advance the cam side one so as you insert it it rotates back into alignement !
That’s my interpretation !
There’s only one dot to align. The second dot is a hole for a roll pin iirc.


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Post by Dave Eddy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:01 am

Ok, This is the latest episode of my mental meltdown,(car induced) Cambelt position at TDC , no one rockers rocking,camcover off, dizzy cap off, king lead off cap and pointing closely at heat shield ,distributor withdrawn still wired up,ignition on
Pump running.
Slowly turning rotor arm anti-clockwise injector clicked then spark click at no 1, same at 3,4,2. difficult to localise injector clicks but would say that i can localise clicks at 3 and 4 but NOT at 1 and 2, however i get the sound of a click when rotate past 1 and 2 but can't swear its coming from those two injectors, What does anyone think, Please !



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Post by philhoward » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:09 am

If you can hear 2 clicks from that area, then both injectors are firing, I'd say and if 3 and 4 are firing at about the right time, then that's all 4 firing.

Do you have a NOID light? Yes, they are a real thing.. if 1 and 2 are swapped, there would still be fuel, just maybe not optimised (maybe not enough). I don't have a timing diagram for the injection pulse but I'd expect the injector to fire on the intake stroke just not sure if it's at the beginning or part way through the inlet opening.


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Post by PeteMac » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:02 pm

It does sound like the crank angle sensor is doing its job. When mine went it would turn a full one or two revolutions before a random spark/click was heard.

Found a similar issue being reported a few times on the Silvia forums. See here for an example. Seemingly a common issue (as one contributor says) but they all point to the temp sensor (ECU) and/or air regulator, which you've already investigated. And rather annoyingly, I couldn't find a thread within which the original poster conclusively solved the problem.


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Post by old bean » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:43 am

Is it still running well when warm?



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Post by Dave Eddy » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:26 am

Yes it WAS, but I'm starting to second guess myself now, checking that ive checked correctly, whats fitted is fitted correctly, bits all over the place now, MEGGA frustrating , hope i can sort it before the HAMMER gets the better of me.



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Post by Dave Eddy » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:19 pm

Ok, just checked the throttle valve switch for continuity, there is non, any suggestions where i might get one ?



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Post by CNHSS1 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:35 pm

From memory they clip open, they are more basic than a basic thing inside, probably a 5min fix


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