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Re: Blue Cipher Refresh

Post by Marmaduke » Sun May 15, 2016 12:41 pm

scimjim wrote:I think I still have your original engine in the workshop?
Hi Jim, Yes I hadn't forgotten - I'd meant to pick it up when I was popping down to swap over twilights hood - but being a single parent has kind of got in the way of me doing a lot of things at the moment - it may have to go over to the in-laws to get the engine up here or via Scimaritans - I'll PM you in a bit.


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Re: Blue Cipher Refresh

Post by DJC777 » Sun May 15, 2016 7:13 pm

Fortunately the cipher has a nice little access panel in the drivers footwell - clutch cable, speedo cable, gearstick, and rear engine mounts are all easily accessible.

Tony Stevens obviously decided the access panel was not big enough because on the green Cipher it goes almost to the end of the footwell, which makes access to the starter motor much easier.

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Re: Blue Cipher Refresh

Post by Roger Pennington » Sun May 15, 2016 7:17 pm

DJC777 wrote:
Fortunately the cipher has a nice little access panel in the drivers footwell - clutch cable, speedo cable, gearstick, and rear engine mounts are all easily accessible.

Tony Stevens obviously decided the access panel was not big enough because on the green Cipher it goes almost to the end of the footwell, which makes access to the starter motor much easier.
That looks pretty handy! :D


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Re: Blue Cipher Refresh

Post by Marmaduke » Sun May 15, 2016 8:46 pm

DJC777 wrote: Tony Stevens obviously decided the access panel was not big enough because on the green Cipher it goes almost to the end of the footwell, which makes access to the starter motor much easier.
Yes, looks like a progressive update thing - and certainly it would handy being bigger like yours - the reach under for the passengers gearbox mount wouldn't be quite so interesting (!). Mind you having the right hand drive gearbox (in no.2) makes it easier than the left hand drive gearbox (in the later cars) to access to the clutch adjuster - is there an access panel on the other side as well ?


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Re: Blue Cipher Refresh

Post by DARK STAR » Sun May 15, 2016 9:12 pm

Regressive development (Reliant really should have adopted the Cipher) ;)
On the Daimler SP250 the whole transmission tunnel unscrews, you can even change the gearbox from inside the car.
Crap gearbox though ...


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Post by philhoward » Sun May 15, 2016 9:19 pm

Any car that lets you change a gearbox from the drivers seat so easily? Expect it to be service item...


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Re: Blue Cipher Refresh

Post by scimjim » Sun May 15, 2016 9:20 pm

DARK STAR wrote:Reliant really should have adopted the Cipher bodyshell...
fixed that for you :-)


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Re: Blue Cipher Refresh

Post by scimjim » Sun May 15, 2016 9:21 pm

philhoward wrote:Any car that lets you change a gearbox from the drivers seat so easily? Expect it to be service item...
are you sat next to Chris? :-)


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Post by DARK STAR » Sun May 15, 2016 9:23 pm

Not quite, but we are only a few hundred metres apart :mrgreen:


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Post by philhoward » Sun May 15, 2016 9:26 pm

We're in the same town, if that counts :)


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Re: Blue Cipher Refresh

Post by Marmaduke » Sun May 15, 2016 9:46 pm

scimjim wrote:
DARK STAR wrote:Reliant really should have adopted the Cipher bodyshell...
fixed that for you :-)
Just to frighten you some more Jim, I measured up and a 1300 cvh would just about drop in......

Not that I'm planning to - but it would be one scary little car if they had built it(imagine reviver racing you in that !!)


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Re: Blue Cipher Refresh

Post by scimjim » Sun May 15, 2016 10:05 pm

the engine is only part of the problem :-)

I remember speaking to a trials spec Leige owner who said it was uber reliable - with a Bedford Rascal axle, Suzuki swift engine and Suzuki Jimny gearbox


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Re: Blue Cipher Refresh

Post by Marmaduke » Sun May 15, 2016 10:14 pm

scimjim wrote:the engine is only part of the problem :-)

I remember speaking to a trials spec Leige owner who said it was uber reliable - with a Bedford Rascal axle, Suzuki swift engine and Suzuki Jimny gearbox
Yes I remember them - the problem they had were they supercharged the 850 engine and then wondered why the reliant first gear broke when they put 2.5x the power and 3x the torque through it ! - the Bedford axle is due to the need for a lower ratio - and fox back axles (the 4:1 ones) are uber rare and command quite a premium.

Still the liege is a fun little car - I wouldn't say no to one ! :)


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Re: Blue Cipher Refresh

Post by DJC777 » Wed May 18, 2016 8:20 am

Mind you having the right hand drive gearbox (in no.2) makes it easier than the left hand drive gearbox (in the later cars) to access to the clutch adjuster - is there an access panel on the other side as well ?
Simon, Good spot of the LHD gearbox clutch arrangement. The picture is one of Speedys from his original Cipher thread, needless to say the gearbox became a RHD clutch operation when I rebuilt the box a couple of years ago as there isn't a left hand side access panel.


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Re: Blue Cipher Refresh

Post by efi_sprintgte » Wed May 18, 2016 8:45 am

scimjim wrote:the engine is only part of the problem :-)

I remember speaking to a trials spec Leige owner who said it was uber reliable - with a Bedford Rascal axle, Suzuki swift engine and Suzuki Jimny gearbox
Suzuki super carry van donor. 16v 1.3, tick. 5 speed box, tick. Decent axle, tick!


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