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Post by scimjim » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:29 pm

Sounds like a lot of hassle to me - just put a 5T pallet strap around it :D


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Post by JoeySully » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:48 pm

scimjim wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:29 pm
Sounds like a lot of hassle to me - just put a 5T pallet strap around it :D
Yeah i guess you are right Jim :) i was hoping it would make life easier but it seems just to create more issues.



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Post by peter freeman » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:49 pm

Always used rope myself behined the crank pulley at the front and behind the sump at the rear. Never had a problem with any engine type - the rope "bites" against the metal so does not slip.



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Post by JoeySully » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:39 am

I don't think I would have the strength a good enough jack to drop the gearbox from under the car. If I can avoid working under a car I will at all costs. I want to take engine and GB out together. I was hoping to load leveler would help me have more control over the angle.

I have seen several references on this forum saying that the manual says to use the carb mounting studs to lift the engine but I checked the reliant manual and it doesn't mention it. It does talk about lifting eye tool CP-6146. The only reference to this tool i could find on the internet was on a German Capri website - https://www.caprihome.de/whb/21/21.htm
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The picture in the manual shows a similar tool attached to exhaust manifold on either side, possibly to the unused holes on top the head or the exhaust studs.



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Post by philhoward » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:04 pm

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Post by JoeySully » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:35 pm

yeah that's the one I found too. Its a good way to make the bracket. I don't think he minded if it went wrong though he was going to fit a different engine anyway.
I'm concerned that the weight might damage the inlet manifold.



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Post by Coupe Racing » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:39 pm

Not if the place is bolted tight to the inlet


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Post by philhoward » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:44 pm

If half your manifold bolts are loose and the carb studs are only in by a couple of threads then maybe but it won’t deform the manifold if that was what you were wondering.

I’d definitely remove the W plate first as well as he did.

As CR says - if your bracket is flat to the manifold face and tight, then you’ll be fine.


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Post by JoeySully » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:31 pm

The inlet manifold gasket was replaced with new bolts last year so I'm sure they will take it but my concern is mainly that the inlet manifold is going on 40 years old now, it has surely lost some of its strength and gotten brittle. I don't want to screw up my nicely fitted inlet manifold gasket either :shock:

My engine hoist is also a little short as you can see in the picture, attaching to the carb mount will mean the engine will jump forward as soon as i lift it off the engine mounts and probably smash into the brake pipe creating another job that I don't need :w



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Post by philhoward » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:48 pm

In that case, you need a longer reach crane - that's not a problem with the lifting method.

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Post by philhoward » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:53 pm

If you don't have access to a crane with a longer reach, then you'll have to go in from the side - downside is as the lift, you have to roll the car backwards as you lift which works fine until the wheel needs to go over the one leg of the crane that was behind the wheel... You could make a "ramp" from some planks so it goes over it easier but we are getting into the realms of Heath Robinson now. Either find a block and tackle and an A-frame to go over the top, or locate a longer reach crane, I'm afraid.


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Post by gtcse8 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:54 pm

The back to back brackets are exactly what I use all the time.


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Post by JoeySully » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:26 pm

Even with the brackets on the carb bolts the hoist wont reach far enough. I cant buy a bigger one so i will have to make do with what i have.
I had some 5mm steel which made great brackets to attach to the exhaust manifold studs on either side. looks like it will work and at least it will give me some piece of mind with the weight distributed between 4 points.
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Post by philhoward » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:33 pm

4 bolts in tension (carb replacement plate) or 4 studs in shear (exhaust)?

I know which I’d choose but it’s your call.


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Post by Oldconn » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:16 am

Thanks everybody for your input. Wow! What a long discussion! I shall be using a vertical hoist and rolling the car; I have tubular manifolds bolted on ,not studded, so I shall probably go with the back-to-back brackets on the carburettor base. I have a spare inlet manifold, just in case. All that is sometime in the future, because Winter has set in here with a vengeance, and there's a Mini already occupying the space. I'll report progress in the Candy thread.


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