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Post by toolmanchris » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:38 pm

Couldn't get normal rivets to hold when I did my gutter so I brought some peel rivets and they worked a treat


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Post by 1969SE5 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:11 pm

that's what i have been thinking, i have concerns on the affect of the rivet expanding prior to shearing, and cracking out the glass.


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Post by toolmanchris » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:29 pm

It was fine for me but I might just have been lucky who knows :wink:


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Post by Joe. » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:57 am

I used standard 4mm Aluminium rivets, which were fine providing you did a reasonable job of remonving the remains of the old rivet and the holes into the grp were in good condition. Definately pays to take care when drilling the old ones out. I also made some repairs to the area before the car went to paint.

I've no experience with peel rivets so can't really comment!



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Post by Joe. » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:19 pm

I'm often asked by friends, family and co-workers how the GTE is getting on... often with the implied question what’s taking so long?

Time and motivation have been a bit short and the more I work on the car the longer the jobs list seems to get. There's a certain logic to tackling some jobs while the car is off the road as they will only be a pain to sort in the future.

When I bought the car in 2010 There was no dashboard wiring loom / fusebox at all (probably because the old one had be destroyed by fire) to solve the problem back then Dave and I made a new one from scratch. Which was fully functional, but over time proved to have some drawbacks all the cable lengths were a little bit short which meant that it was very hard to get the dash fascia on and off. Add to that some of the Lucas wiring colours were unavailable when we made it so some wires are the wrong colour. Also there were lots of bullet connections instead of multiplugs which could be difficult to disconnect.

Here’s a picture of our homebrew loom:

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The under car wiring loom was also never replaced and was prone to causing problems. For the last 6 months that the car was on the road the interior light had not worked! The main source of the problems being this pair of connectors. which after 45 years abuse under the car were now quite crispy!

Why the interior light didn’t work:

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The painter had also helpfully* sprayed all the wires red.


For all of January I delayed making a decision about wiring but was eventually persuaded by Dave to go down the lockup garage and evaluate all of the factory wiring looms I had left over from breaker cars. These had sat festering in a box for years and I was a bit unsure what I had.

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Turns out there were roughly 3 cars worth and the best of the bunch was from a 1975 car. I cleaned the grime off the outside and laid it out roughly as it would be in the car.

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Here’s a few more close ups:

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The plan is to strip the loom tape off inspect it for any issues, repair any corroded terminals or connectors and add in a few additional wires for some extra's...

The dashboard then came off...

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Followed by the sub dash.

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lets have another look at the old loom.

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As the dismantling process had gone this far the heater box was removed too,

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Revealing yet more fibreglass repairs....

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To be continued...
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Post by Coupe Racing » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:35 pm

it would be worth using the correct style spade terminals and sheath rather than those blue terminals that dont always grip very well
They also look better and a little solder can be added to ensure the joint is sound if the correct crimpers are not used

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http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/p ... male-blade
http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/p ... insulation
http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/p ... mping-tool


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Post by Joe. » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:55 pm

Agreed on the blue spade terminals, They were the best I could do at the time but the budget and equiptment available have fortunately improved a bit since then! For the refubished loom. I'll definately I'm go for the more standard unisulated crimps with sleves on anything that needs replacing and I've got a set of the correct crimping pliers for that.

I'm also replacing the multiplugs that are exposed to the elements with modern econoseal type, and will come up with a better solution for the towbar wiring that doesnt involve scotch locks.

I'm in the process of uprating the alternator (moving over to a Denso type (as its more compact) and will uprate the wiring through to the battery for something capable of 110Amps.



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Post by Joe. » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:38 am

Heater matrix out - time for more fibreglass repairs....

Prep:

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Lay UP:

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Flat back:

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With the heater box out of the car it was clear that the sealing foam was quite hard and perished and had quite a few major leaks.

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As a bonus to getting the heater out I have finally removed the last bits of broken windscreen...

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While I had the heater box out it seemed to make sense to replace the heater matrix, I bought this new from Motorads of Redditch,

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The new one has 3 cores vs the 2 cores of the original

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In the process of removing the sub dash dave noticed there was quite a bit of play in the steering column bushes. Particularly the bottom end bush which had spun in the outer sleeve and had clearly got quite hot.

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This photo shows the circular locating lugs practically worn away to nothing!

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New uprated bushes were bought from Revington TR - they were quite a bit better price wise than their rivals!

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Post by Joe. » Tue May 08, 2018 11:20 pm

I've neglected this thread a bit, as I've got lots of partially completed jobs bits which are not quite finished which is annoying, some jobs are waiting for my mate Dave's particular attention (such as the main loom modifications) other jobs have been slowed by the need to do things in a set order...

Continued from the last post about the heater...

Quite a few of the captive nut plates that hold the sub dash and heater to the car were damaged or missing (it was actually amazing the dash did not move or rattle.) A batch of new nut plates were made in stainless....

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and fitted...

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Heater matrix went back into its box with lots of new sealing foam to make it airtight...

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pipe flanges were reattached, bedded in on polyurethane sealant, new grommet for the speedo cable.

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The heater box was then bolted back in and the fans were connected for an air pressure test. The original heater fans were upgraded to modern spal ones a few years ago.


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The pressure test was good with a reasonable output at all the outlet points, I'm still not convinced the air felt as powerful as some modern setups I've seen. Possibly due to the long runs between the fan motors, large area under pressure. also the large diameter pipes don't lend themselves to generating high speed airflow.

I did consider going for an air conditioning upgrade while I was working on the heater. I think its possible to find room for an additional matrix inside the existing heater box, a compressor and a couple more hoses could be accommodated in the engine bay and a condenser could me mounted ahead or behind the radiator. Time and money have ruled it out for the moment. Future upgrade project? Maybe.

Moving on... Washers and wipers.

I had to get some parts for the doors folded up with the local sheet metal specialist... so while I was there I had some new plates made for the wiper wheelboxes. made in Stainless naturally!

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I think the main function is to protect the wheelboxes from excess water coming from the air grill in the scuttle, though they may just be there to spread the load from the wiper rack more evenly.

I've fitted stainless grill mesh to the scuttle air intake, Not sure if all 5a's had mesh I know that coupe's and rebels don’t have it. The washer jets Wiper rack & motor were also refitted. The washer jets are NOS single jet units which seem to be quite rare in that shape. (twin jets are for some reason much more available.)

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Before running the washer hose I had to sort out the cable grommet for the engine wiring, the fibreglass bulkhead was so thick that it was impossible to get the grommet to sit in the hole. A steel surround was made and fitted,

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And hoses routed to the original spec Tudor washer bottle with some new washer pumps. I'll probably have to fit bigger P clips when the wiring loom is reinstalled depending on routing.

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And now for something completely different....

A recent eBay browse threw up a used Dolomite spec front splitter for not too much money. Of all the aftermarket nose modifications I've often thought this one looked neatest and most "factory." I know Its mostly an aesthetic alteration (though I guess there may be some benefit to the amount of air ducted to the radiator.) but I quite like the way the nose looks with it fitted.

Heres a closer look at one on someone else’s car (stock pic off the net.)

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I've some slight concerns about ground clearance though... Hitting every speed bump with it could get really tedious.

Here’s a few pictures of the one I've got...

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comments and thoughts on fitting one welcomed!

Coming up in future posts: Alternators, Battery locations, More Fibreglass, Bumpers, Headlinder replacement and I randomly decide to take an angle grinder to the exhaust system...

Cheers, Joe
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Post by Rattling » Wed May 09, 2018 6:55 am

All looking good . Splitter looks good but as you say lots of speed bumps everywhere.


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Post by willholderogri » Wed May 09, 2018 7:39 am

Joe what air filter is that on your motor ?


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Post by GeoffTE » Wed May 09, 2018 8:27 am

Joe, I fitted a Dolomite Sprint splinter to my 5.(SAR). You'll find a description on my rebuild thread somewhere. You have to gently heat the ends in order to bend them up to fit the bodywork. A hot hairdryer or similar is probably sufficient.


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Post by Joe. » Wed May 09, 2018 7:43 pm

willholderogri wrote:
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Joe what air filter is that on your motor ?
Hi Will, I Assume you mean the ally one rather than the rags and bubble wrap! :lol: It came from the USA and it was quite cheap.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/15-Oval-Shap ... SwZjJU4hpR

A bit more info on air filter modification in this post: http://www.scimitarweb.co.uk/sgwrs/view ... 25#p412734

Its on the list of things I will revisit again in the future... !



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Post by Joe. » Wed May 09, 2018 7:49 pm

GeoffTE wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 8:27 am
Joe, I fitted a Dolomite Sprint splinter to my 5.(SAR). You'll find a description on my rebuild thread somewhere. You have to gently heat the ends in order to bend them up to fit the bodywork. A hot hairdryer or similar is probably sufficient.
Cheers Geoff, I'll have a look at your fitting description, The one I've got isnt in the best condition, the captive end bolts have snapped off and its going to need some work before fitting. I've recently got a new* heat gun so it looks like that will come in handy.

* Its Actually an old black and decker one, bought at the car boot! The holiday promotion on its box dates it to 1983.



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Post by rebel alliance » Wed May 09, 2018 8:03 pm

I have been trying to shape the ends of one of those spoilers for a while..You will probably have to cut out a bit from the thin bits above the slots otherwise it just wont want to curve upwards as your trying to compress those areas.



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