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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by philhoward » Fri May 28, 2010 8:36 pm

You can bet money its an imperial size - have a look at air pipework for some as its still in imperial land.


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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by Elizabeth's dad » Fri May 28, 2010 9:50 pm

This is a job I need to do, I'd thought of finding someone breaking a Scimitar and cutting the tubes out of the roof where they don't rust, annoyingly I cut them out myself when I fitted a webasto to a Scimitar a few years ago, but I just threw the tubing away. I also have a full roof section with webasto in the shed, but there isn't enough tube left! If you come up with a source of the appropriate size, I would be interested in purchasing some.


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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by Joe. » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:18 am

Seems like ages since I updated this thread,

After putting up a post about looking for the fiberglass sections my car was missing I was fortunate to be put in contact with John Valler (Cheers Geoff) who had a body shell that was fairly local and that he was looking to dispose of. Fortunately John was able to deliver the body and being a bit pushed for space I needed to break the shell fairly quickly. With the help of some friends we were able to strip the body of parts in an afternoon and section up what couldnt be reused, I'm now very familiar with the fiberglass itch!

I've attached a few photos of the breaking, so anyone who doesnt like to see a scimitar cut up should probably look away now. :?

I was fortunate to also get a few other parts that I'm going to find useful Particulalry the heat sheilds and the doors which may turn out to be better than my current ones,

First Cut,

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Engine Bay, Nose is a Scimpart replacement as the car went off the road at some time in the past following an accident.

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Body with the rear section removed.

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One of the sections I will be re using on my car.

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fastenings on the doors were completely seized so they were removed complete and will be given further attention later.

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The vital sections I needed now removed, not a huge amount left.

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Floor pan sectioned up, for disposal.

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I'd really like to Thank John for the donation of the body it has really helped me out and has got me a step closer to getting my car back on the road.

I'm hoping to get the money together to get the parts I need, (Rear Bushes, shocks and springs) to remove my body and do the work on the chassis in the next 2-3 weeks. I'm Still clinging to my vision that I'll have the car back on the road before the end of the summer!

I'll probably stick up another parts request post in the next few days with a few things that I'm missing I've been having trouble finding replacements for.

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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by Joe. » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:01 am

Just a quick update, the body is now off without any major incidents! and I've had the first chance to look at the condition of the chassis top. Generally its in fairly good condition (better than I'd hoped judging but some of the other photos I've seen.) Though there are quite a few areas to sort out.

Currently the aim is to replace the sills, front outriggers, seatbelt mounts, rear diag's and all the rear body mounts,

I also discovered that much of the front suspension is in very poor condition and I'm currently waiting on a lot of replacement parts from graham walker & qrg.

Particularly bad were the top falcrums and lower wishbone mounts, which had both corroded on the metal to bush faces.

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I'll try and keep updating this thread over the next few days as the plan is to do the work as quick as possible and get the body back on!



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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by Joe. » Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:47 pm

Just to update with the workdone so far, I've had a difficult day working with the car Chassis is now repaired and primed and has now been moved out of the garage and the body is now in, Its starting to seem like there is far more work do do than initailly hoped. :(

Seatbelt mount replaced, galvanised sill section from qrg being measured up,

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sill now welded on, with new rollbar mount point,

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The back of the rear diag had been patched and this piece of plate was virtually floating loose in the hole underneath!

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old mess cleaned up, New steel being measured to do a proper repair,

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bump stops - were missing and there was a rust hole in chassis, welded plate in and captive nut for the new style brackets from qrg,

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chassis cleaned and painted and given a coat of zinc rich primer, (note missing diag's which are now fitted!)

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This is where things started to go wrong - we took a quick look at the axle when removed and thought that the brackets looked ok but a more thorough look showed that the lower section was suffering from some rust issues, i've not decided what to do about them yet.

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Whilst lifting the body off this fairly major damage was done around the filler cap,

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Turns out its cracked along and old repair and was mostly held in by body filler,

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Additional picture, showing another filler based repair to a crack next to exhaust space - note miss-aligned edge,

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Engine bay after removal of the steel and body filler battery box,

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digging round some of the poor fiberglass repairs showed that there had been an engine bay fire which accounts for the missing battery shelf and vent surround, fibreglass has been applied to unprepped burned bodywork and most of the bay has been skimmed in filler,

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So from bad to worse, we knew the sills were rusting but it turns out the base of the A posts are also non existant,

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Donor A post to be used as template, for fabricating a new pair will look into getting them made up locally.

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Body up in its supposedly temporary postion!

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Theres a fair bit to do that we hadn't been planning for - new axle brackets, door sills, "A" posts and also all the metal seat stiffner plates need replacing. Thinking of spinning body over to do the sills!

Any thoughs on work so far would be of interest.



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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by stocks71 » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:05 am

Brilliant work Mate. Very impressive. The photos are great too to give me and probably others a better understanding of whats out of sight normally. Good to see someone just get stuck in and crack on with a job. Keep it up Fella :D .

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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by toomanysabres » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:01 am

JoeySully wrote:I don't know about charging capacitors, My rev counter will not budge from zero unless I give it a good bit of revs after starting up. If I leave it ticking over it wont come off zero. I think Its just a bit sticky?? might swap it over with a spare I have.
Thats not unknown either. Give it a tap after starting. You don't want to rev the engine hard when cold (unless you have changed the cam gear to steel that is :evil: )


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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by Joe. » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:38 pm

Right this thread has been being neglected a bit - been too busy filling the garage with fibreglass dust! :D

Since the last post new upper fulcrums, vertical links, and lower wishbone mounts have arrived from Graham Walker.
A shiny new pair or TR6 stub axles, bearings and brake discs have also been bought (GW wanted £50+vat for each stub as opposed to £20each inc vat from a Triumph supplier). various parts From QRG have also arrived, galvanised fulcrum shims etc.

The chassis is now finished - cleaned to bright metal and primed with 4 coats of black zinc phosphate, injected with cavity wax and given a topcoat of Schutz underseal.

Suspension components have been painted in what laughingly passes for hammerite these days :(

All the suspension parts have been polybushed with the exception of the trunnions. - advice on greasing polybushes would be appreciated, we've pressed the bushes in using soapy water and have greased the steel crush tubes as it seemed wrong to have the bush rotating in the wishbone or trailing arm housing which would surely have been the result of following the extremely generic instructions to smother the whole lot in grease that came with the kit :?

The following photos are now slightly out of date & hopefully will post some more up to date shots over the weekend.

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"A"posts removed from car

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Passenger side sill section (drivers side came out in dust form!)

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New Galvanised replacement sections custom made - took a bit of time and effort to sort out but well worth it!

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Passenger side "A"post bonded in awaiting trimming

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Seat mount stiffeners - again replaced with galvanised, both these and the "A"posts and sills I've bedded in on a polyester resin and filler mix. - reliant had bedded the sills in on resin cover'd rockwool :roll:

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Engine bay showing the area that was fire damaged beyond repair and needed cutting out and replacing - the vent surround involved making a mould in order to lay up a new section the right shape which was later glassed in place

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the same view with the vent cover moulding fitted which came from the donor car along with the new inner wing/batteryshelf section.

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starting to repair the front which had previously been filled with bodyfiller - a previous owner had also enlarged the indicator cutouts to accept the units off a capri or escort - doubtfull they were road legal, being flush rather than raised like the originals you could hardly see them under the bumpers.

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Front lower shock mouting plates - had rusted between the two layers of plate and were paper thin despite seeming solid.

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Galvanised replacements made up.

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Both the doors need the steel hinge stiffener plate replacing - dont think its possible to replace "in situ" and splitting the two halves of the door without dammaging them horribly is almost impossible.

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so the plan is to cut the inner moulding off the original doors & discard it then bond new steel onto the inners from these donor doors & bond the original outers and donor inners back together - Simples!. As a sidenote does anyone know the purpose of the black plate spanning the main cutout next to the window winder? only the passenger side had one? its fairly substantial, rivited at the top and bolted at the bottom.

(And if the differing styles and use of first person and second person accounts in these posts is confusing it because some are written by Joe and others like this one are written by joe's mate Dave) :lol:



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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by stocks71 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:17 am

Go to the Pub for Gods sake. You deserve it. Put the spanners down!!!. I am exhausted just watching the progress :D .


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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by MikeT » Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:43 am

Fantasic work - I love reading posts like this.

What condition were the trailing arm brackets on the axle in?

Nice fabrication skills, this should be real nice when done.

Keep the updates coming :)

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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by Joe. » Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:59 am

MikeT wrote: What condition were the trailing arm brackets on the axle in?
Pretty much the same as yours! the top is fine but the lower section has been filled with cement sometime in the distant past which has just speeded up the rust :roll:
current plan is to fabricate replacements (or get them from QRG when money is available) and do pretty much what you did - make a jig and cut&shut the bracket round the axle. - theres also far too much end float on the stubs and a dribble from the pinnion seal so i imagine it'll turn into a full axle rebuild :shock:



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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by MikeT » Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:05 am

Cement - lol!

They were pretty expensive for what they were imo (65 quid each iirc), but I haven't got the skills or contacts to have them made up. That said, they are quite nicely made, and save time in making them yourself.

If I had your skills though I think i'd try and make some up and spend the cash elsewhere.

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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by scimjim » Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:54 am

good work Joe!

the steel plate in the door is reinforcement for the electric window motors I think.


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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by greenmeanie » Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:51 am

Hi Joe great work you have done so far very impressive. The Black plate was fitted to later models as is for the door pull rest to give extra support
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Re: Joe's Scimitar 1972 GTE 5a Restoration

Post by Joe. » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:41 am

This threads due an update or two I think,

Having glassed in the new A posts we moved on to working on the new sills, I've seen other repairs mentioned on the forum that just replaced steel with fibreglass but personally thought that there would be too great a compromise in terms of strength rigidity to the body (particularly as the body was going to need to be lifted back on to the chassis) so decided to put new galvanised steel ones in.

Steel Clamped in place

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and a close-up

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After a layer of fiberglass (more to follow to build up to the old level,)

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As seen from below,

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And the other end:

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Alternative view:

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At some point in the past the gear lever cut out had been enlarged too far so the opportunity was taken to fill the gap.

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Engine bay area showing the near complete repair sections with a rough coat of paint, this will be tidyed up when the body is back on the chassis,

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with only limited time / money and space I've been keen to make swift progress towards getting the body and chassis work completed. as a result a few jobs I'd like to have done haven't yet been completed, I had hoped to have the new rear loom ready to run along the chassis to make fitting easier but I miss ordered a couple of cables and its had to wait. :( Similarly it would have simpler to paint the engine bay and battery shelf before putting it on the body but time was simply too short. I needed body and chassis to be ready to be put back together before the good will of my neighbours ran out and my parents chucked me out!

I'll update in a bit with the photos of the day spent rebuilding all the chassis & suspension components and reuniting the body and chassis.



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