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Re: SE6a On Road Restoration, repair, modification...

Post by AJL Electronics » Fri May 16, 2014 5:59 pm

I don't recall any issues in the past with the ones I have used or supplied to customers. Now Avo on the other hand......


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Re: SE6a On Road Restoration, repair, modification...

Post by MickP » Fri May 16, 2014 6:38 pm

I have not spoken to Spax - yet. But the more I investigate the more I find that others are having the same problem. Here is an example video which is an MX-5, I think. He has got it off the car but that is the sound coming from all 4 corners - and it is loud:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp-k7CwvmwU

Just to reiterate, I am not impressed with the quality of the Spax units:

The little bellows type dust covers disintegrated after about 18 months - they did look like total rubbish.
I might be wrong but they do not look to be re-buildable.
There was zero technical information with the "kit" but there was plenty of stickers and advertising material.
The springs were the same for front and rear - I changed the front ones for more suitable and heavier ones partly after some comments on here that I agreed with, etc, etc.

I do remember half thinking about sending them back not long after I got them - kind of wish I had now :roll: .

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SE6a On Road Restoration, repair, modification...

Post by MickP » Sat May 17, 2014 11:12 am

Well it took a bit of doing what with Apple, Google and YouTube doing their best to stop me - I even had to upload twice, why?

Anyway, here is a link to a video of the clunking Spax shock absorbers:



The rear one is not sideways, it is just the only position I could get the camera in and the rusty front spring is not the Spax one. I am rocking the car slightly, not even enough to compress the springs. ...and, before anyone suggests it, yes I am sure the noise is coming from inside the shocks - you can feel it too :? .

I have seen this on very old, worn out shocks but I would not have expected it on these at about 6 or 7 thousand miles after only three years.

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Post by MickP » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:16 pm

Forgot to take a photo of it this year, but I have a nice new MOT certificate with no advisories - again :D .

Spax(tic) shocks are still at least as noisy as they were :( - surprised I did not get an advisory for them :? .

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Re: SE6a On Road Restoration, repair, modification...

Post by Scimher » Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:20 pm

...Congrats. on the MOT, Michael.....................



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Post by MickP » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:13 am

Thank you :wink: .


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Re: SE6a On Road Restoration, repair, modification...

Post by Oldconn » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:20 am

Michael, just to re-inforce your comments about Spax, I had exactly the same problemon my old Mini. The noise developed only a week after fitting them, and after 6 months I was so fed up I took them off and replaced them with Kayabas, which are fine. The Spax are still sitting on a shelf in my garage, with less than 2,000kms use - and they cost me over £80 to buy! If anybody wants them (for a Mini, not a Scimitar) they are available for the cost of postage. Drop me a line.


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Post by MickP » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:53 am

To be perfectly honest, I think I may have been confusing Spax with Koni before I bought them. Spax are rubbish - you just need to look at the build quality. I will never, ever buy from them again. They just market them cleverly, but in the end, companies like that do get found out (Ratners, Dixons/PC World, Tesco, etc.).


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Post by scimjim » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:57 pm

Hmm..... harsh, and I've been round the factory so feel that I can comment. 50+ years and still waiting to be "found out"?


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Re: SE6a On Road Restoration, repair, modification...

Post by toomanysabres » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:55 pm

No axe to grind but is it not true that 'current' Spax are not original Spax. I had a Sabre fitting part number from Don Pither but it wasn't recognised when I wanted to order some.

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Post by scimjim » Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:09 pm

I suspect that's true of nearly all damper manufacturers?


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Post by CNHSS1 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:23 pm

Ron Avons been involved with most UK damper firms, avo,gaz, shocktec, protech have all had input iirc

As for spax being crap, i would disagree too. Whilst often not cutting edge tech, they tend to last for donkeys years in my experience


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Re: SE6a On Road Restoration, repair, modification...

Post by philhoward » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:23 pm

Although not having them on a car for long, going by reports over the years, there seemed to be a short period where the QC seemed to take a dip (might have coincided with the change of ownership) but even if a small batch crept through, then given the on/off road nature of many of our cars, any failures would have been spread over a long period, depending on annual mileage and how long owners had kept them on the shelf, so to speak?


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Re: SE6a On Road Restoration, repair, modification...

Post by Roger Pennington » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:27 pm

There was a problem, reported in Slice 148 (Mar-Apr '96) and I remember when I bought the Yellow Peril in late '96, feeling initially disappointed on finding it was fitted with Spax. However, in practice they seemed to last well, and it was several years before I replaced them. The SS1 has Spax on the front, which have been on about 10 years, and work fine (and quietly)


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Re: SE6a On Road Restoration, repair, modification...

Post by MickP » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:51 pm

Just spent a couple of days solid clearing half of the garage so that I can get the poor old Scimitar under cover at least. Lots of jobs I want to do to it once I find a runabout vehicle to use while it is off the road:
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Only problem is, now I need to clear the other half of the garage :shock: :( How many Scimitar parts can you see? :
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