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Post by Harry Granger » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:26 pm

Hi everyone,

After playing about with all sorts on my scimitar, seemingly finding something wrong or bodged along the way every time I think I've convinced myself to just go for it and start a body off restoration. What helps me with the decision is that I've just bought a house with the missus and it just so happens to have a double garage...not a coincidence I swear 8)

I've looked through and seen quite a few people take this on but is there a general consensus on how long it may take to actually go from a standing scimitar to getting the body off and I suppose (an even harder to answer question) what might be seen as the average body off restoration time for completion...might be how longs a piece of string though! ha

Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated, either cheering me on and saying stop at once!

Thanks

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Post by scimjim » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:32 pm

I reckon I could get a 5a body off in a weekend - it would then take about 5 years to get it back on :D

Honestly, if I had a pound for every abandoned body off resto I've ever seen, I'd have about £25 :D

Really - why do you want to take the body off? Are the main chassis rails rotten? Have you done anything like this before? Have you looked at costs (they will spiral), do you prefer welding, painting etc to driving it?

Ignore all that and crack on but take lots of photos :mrgreen:


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Post by Datsundrew » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:49 pm

I'm sort of with Jim on this. The body off is not a massive job, the main bit is actually trying to access the bolts with a grinder......don't imagine even one will unscrew!the next bit is where do you put the body and support it. You'll be amazed, it'll take up all the double garage.....and more! The temptation to replace everything is huge, so costs go up. I think most favour replacing/ welding in bits where needed, which is fine, but the chassis is steel, is old, and is rusting constantly.
For me (having run a 1960 Land Rover daily) I decided I wanted to to do it to the best I could, so removed the body, galvanised the chasssis and put it back together. It's taken me a year, and it would be finished and on the road now had I not decided to put a different engine into it. I have restored several cars (rusty steel ones) so I have a semi realistic view of getting things done, but I'm still surprised at the run away budget .......if there ever was such a thing :roll:



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Post by hylton1806 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:19 am

I am with Jim on this one when you take something like this to bit it takes a lot of commitment to put it all back to gether and a lot of people falter (I know).By your own admission you have just bought a new house where does SWMBO understand your commitment should be :w


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Post by AJL Electronics » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:32 am

The five year figure is true enough. My project will be five years in October and probably will not be finished this year. It will also cost you many times your wildest estimate to do it properly. That having been said, you know that it has been done to a high standard and will last another 40 years, until the governments win their war on the private motorist.


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Post by b.c.flat hat » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:00 am

Harry, if you want t' do it, then bl@@dy well do it!

It's one of those dirty, uncomfortable, back-ache inducing, never ending, knuckle-skinning projects that gets all yer pals eyebrows twitchin' when they learn. The usual re-action is " Yer gonna do WHAT?" It certainly stops you festering.

You need five rugby playing blokes round your place on any half excuse fer a party and, just before they're absolutely legless, orf it comes! There's plenty of help on here, the "search" is your friend.

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Post by GeoffTE » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:10 am

I completed a total, body off, restoration of my 5, SAR, (fully documented on here) in just 2 years :shock: BUT...a big BUT, I was totally obsessive and committed to the rebuild. Every spare hour was spent on the car and yes I'm still married 😛 I did everything myself except for the final paint,(don't ask😡) and I reckon it took getting on for 1800 hours at a cost of something north if £8k. I did have major bodywork to repair which extended the hours somewhat, which normally wouldn't be necessary. It's true that once started the costs can run away with you, but the finished car is something to be proud of and I know everything there is to know about it ( although remembering is a problem these days :roll: )


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Post by Stupopt1 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:45 pm

Go for it, without taking the body off you won't be able to get photos like this :D
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Post by Harry Granger » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:39 pm

Thanks guys for the words of advice, wisdom and encouragement! haha

To try and answer a few of the questions...I've been doing bits here and there and as soon as one bit looks great I see another area that lets it down so would love to just do it and do it properly, at the same time (try to) enjoy it!

I play rugby so could ask some mates who are 'big' blokes to help, I play scrum half so I'm the smaller one, thats the problem haha

The garage can quite easily fit three cars in and just about get in each so I'm happy with space, would have to check height clearance - how high do you typically have to raise the body? Nothing stopping from doing the outside I guess?!

Costs, welding etc - I like to think I'm fairly resourceful, as in my brother can weld and my mate can get the majority of new bolts, pipes etc from his work at cost price.

The point made about supporting the body once off the car...what do most people do? I was thinking put it on pallets or tyres?? Is that okay?

AND...get to take pictures and make things nice and shiny!!


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Post by b.c.flat hat » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:32 pm

You have to raise the front about four or five feet then the whole thing goes backwards at that angle to clear the rear chassis, that's why rugby players are useful!



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Post by scimjim » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:55 pm

You can use rugby players to move the body backwards, or support the body and your wife can push the rolling chassis forwards :D


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Post by Harry Granger » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:11 pm

It may potentially work in the garage then, I'll need a ladder or can do the pushing! Jim...we'll stick with partner or the 'missus' don't want her getting any ideas! :shock: I'll never get it finished if that happens!


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Post by scimjim » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:14 pm

Ha! I was talking about actual experience :D


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Post by Harry Granger » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:17 pm

Haha! I'm sure she loved that! :wink:


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Post by scimjim » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:39 am

It was snowing but once I cleared the area in front of the garage it rolled quite easily :D


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SECURE DRY STORAGE FOR YOUR SCIMITAR

Current: SE5 (8Ball), TI SS1 (snotty), 1600 SS1 (G97), 1600 SS1 (C686CCR), 2.5TD SE5a (diesel 5a), 6 x random other SS1s.
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Chief mechanic for: 1400 K series SS1 (Megan3), 1400 CVH EFi SS1 (Grawpy), 1300 SS1 (Number One) & Sarah's coupe.
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