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Post by Corky » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:16 pm

Didn’t recognise it the right way up :wink:


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Post by scimjim » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:08 pm

Glued the Perspex sunroof down
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And sorted out some door cards
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Current: SE5 (8Ball), TI SS1 (snotty), 1600 SS1 (G97), 1600 SS1 (C686CCR), 2.5TD SE5a (diesel 5a), 6 x random other SS1s.
Previous: SE5, 3 x SE5a, 2 x SE6a, 3 x SE6b, GTC, 2.9i GTC, 3 x 1600 SS1, 1300 SS1, Mk1 Ti Sabre, Mk1.5 CVH Sabre
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Post by scimjim » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:53 pm

Door cards and steering rack boots fitted, then discovered that the split rims foul the calipers :evil:

So I threw some paint at a set of bottle tops and swapped the tyres onto them.

Will try to take it out for a run to the MOT station and get the alignment checked before test day.


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Post by Dcrosby13 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:54 pm

Shame, those wheels look cool


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Post by scimjim » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:57 pm

They are but they need a proper clean up and extended studs on the hubs.


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Post by scimjim » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:28 pm

I always knew that at some point I’d add up exactly how much this has cost to go from “barn find” to roadgoing sprint car. Many years ago while chatting to Craig, we agreed it could probably be done for £1000-1500.

I still believe that’s possible and even though a lot of bits on this car came from stock, here’s a first stab at a list which I’ll add costs to at some point. This car was pretty typical in terms of the bits you’d want to replace on anything in this price bracket, to make it safe on the track (this is why you want the best car possible as a basis for a sprint car, not the sheds some people advertise as “great basis for a race car” when they really mean “needs everything replacing” :D )

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Engine - I swapped in the engine from G97 but assume a CVH will need oil, filter, cam, followers, cambelt, tensioner, water pump and some gaskets?
Cooling system pipes - spent a good couple of hundred on silicone hoses, alloy joiners and decent clamps.
Radiator - 26.50
Temp sensor - 9.80
Rollbar
Rollbar fitting kit - 29.99
Dampers and springs
LSD (inc a pair of bolt on CV joints if using the Ford diff)
Fuel pipes
Electric fuel pump - 17.84
Bucket seat
Harness
Eye bolts and plates - 15.93
Tyres - 204.44
Track rod ends - 19.99
Steering rack gaiters - 9.00
Vented discs - 124.00
Spaced calipers (recon) - 250.00
Braided brake hose
Handbrake cable
Pads
Shoes
Slave cylinders - 14.99
Battery
Engine mounts - 6.85
Gearbox mount - 18.00
Engine oil and filter
Gearbox oil
Diff oil
Bushes all round
Top and bottom balljoints


Jim King

SECURE DRY STORAGE FOR YOUR SCIMITAR

Current: SE5 (8Ball), TI SS1 (snotty), 1600 SS1 (G97), 1600 SS1 (C686CCR), 2.5TD SE5a (diesel 5a), 6 x random other SS1s.
Previous: SE5, 3 x SE5a, 2 x SE6a, 3 x SE6b, GTC, 2.9i GTC, 3 x 1600 SS1, 1300 SS1, Mk1 Ti Sabre, Mk1.5 CVH Sabre
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Post by philhoward » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:57 pm

4 weeks on from the last post and what do we know?

Well, it works :D and bloody well too.

We made it to the test day on a (luckily) dry and pleasant day where it basically just kept going round and round, only complaining when the fuel level got low..

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Don’t forget that before that picture, it has only managed about 30 yards under its own steam in many years..

Next up was the CM “power-a-weigh in” session at Northampton Motorsport.
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Where G97’s engine only dropped a few horses over it’s 2018 figure when mated to a standard exhaust manifold - which is good 8)

As for weight, it has come in a few bags of sugar under the handbook figure - adding a roll bar and carb versus a race seat and a featherweight Polo/Golf radiator helping here I think.

A few little jobs to do at my leisure before it’s first time out officially - Prescott in May. More work is needed on the tow car(s)!


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Post by scimjim » Thu May 16, 2019 9:22 pm

And today :D
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SECURE DRY STORAGE FOR YOUR SCIMITAR

Current: SE5 (8Ball), TI SS1 (snotty), 1600 SS1 (G97), 1600 SS1 (C686CCR), 2.5TD SE5a (diesel 5a), 6 x random other SS1s.
Previous: SE5, 3 x SE5a, 2 x SE6a, 3 x SE6b, GTC, 2.9i GTC, 3 x 1600 SS1, 1300 SS1, Mk1 Ti Sabre, Mk1.5 CVH Sabre
Chief mechanic for: 1400 K series SS1 (Megan3), 1400 CVH EFi SS1 (Grawpy), 1300 SS1 (Number One) & Sarah's coupe.
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Post by philhoward » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:01 pm

So - 3 events in with a double-driven car and how’s it going?

“Just add fuel” as the advert goes.

Only thing that’s actually broken so far was the number plate so that’s now been replaced with a stick-on one as the beam splitter gets left on between events.

Had to do a quick diaphragm change on the rear carb as it was sucking furl straight through as soon as it got off idle.

“Almost failures” are brakes - we managed to get the pads smoking well (on a hill climb :shock: ) at Harewood but given the final corner means hard braking from 70-ish mph, hard right then the finish line is at the exit of that, and the paddock is right next to you, there’s no opportunity for them to cool down with movement after then.

3 events down and it’s 2-1 to Andy - some of which was helped by him getting the only dry timed run in at 3 Sisters. A quick comparison of our wet times showed I would have just pipped him but that’s racing for you.

5 weeks rest for the car (Loton Park in August is the next event) so going to try and convert it to EFi and build a better exhaust in that time. The twin DCNF carbs aren’t happy with left hand corners at all unless you’re approaching the red line and it’s manners off the line are usually accompanied by stuttering and clouds of black smoke. If I can’t get it all sorted by then, I’ll just refit what’s there now.
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Post by philhoward » Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:03 pm

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Looks like they’re going to fit..that’s a relief!


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Post by philhoward » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:05 pm

As we left it, I was part way through trying to add some throttle bodies.

Attempt 1 at starting - no spark.
After much searching, some daft idiot (yes, me) expected a 2A fuse to be sufficient for the ignition circuit, which it isn’t.
Attempt 2 - another blown fuse and this time it’s the brand new fuel pump (£25, no name) that decided to seize solid. I’d hit the point where I just had enough time to put the carbs back on before the next event (Loton), so back to the twins we went.

Now followed a terrible Loton - coughing, spluttering, black smoke and scores well down compared to how we normally sat in CM (I even had to drop down to 1st to get round the first corner). Despite fiddling with the regulator, fuel was still visibly pouring into the venturis but not all the time. I managed to beat Andy here, so 2-2 now.

Come Curborough, we had a backup plan of a 34DMTL waiting in the wings - probably sacrificing a few bhp for some sort of drivability but it seemed to be behaving of sorts (although we treated it to a set of plug leads) so we left it. I managed to squeeze past Andy, so took the lead at 3-2.

Back to Harewood and the terrible manners returned with a vengeance - it kept cutting out on the way to the start line now! A quick dizzy cap and plug change at lunchtime didn’t improve things and we both failed to match our scores earlier in the season but Andy beat me fair and square after I went grasscutting coming out of farmhouse on my only half decent (up to that point) lap.
3-3 with 2 to go..

By now we’d had enough of the twin DCNFs - on went the DMTL with a new regulator and a wideband Lambda to see how the fuelling was looking. Luckily it seemed about right on the drive at home but the first time it would see full throttle would be off the start line at Blyton. Luckily it was good - very good! We could now pull out of corners smoothly and didn’t seem to have lost anything at the top end either, nearly running out of revs in 4th along the back straight. Andy proved that you could keep the tyres squealing for about 30% of the whole circuit, and beat me here. 4-3 to Andy with one to go..

The finale - Shelsley. By luck, we entered on the dry day out of the double header and the car behaved perfectly. Still getting used to the new-found low rpm tractability getting off the line, times were traded all day with me finally beating Andy by about a tenth of a second in the end. Andy wins on points for the season but it was 4-4 for the events entered.

Since the first event, we’ve been thinking what mods to do over the winter - a more bhp (and torque) solution is in hand and the order has been placed for a full 6-point cage. Wider wheels have also been procured to provide some sidewall support - we both nearly rolled the tyres off the rims at Curborough!

Best get cracking on the rebuild..
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Post by efi_sprintgte » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:12 am

Great write up, so KISS or TB’s?


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Post by philhoward » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:14 am

KISS most certainly - it’s an OEM setup.


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Post by Dcrosby13 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:03 pm

Looking forward to seeing it out on track next year.


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