Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by MikeyBikey » Sun May 14, 2017 7:46 pm

Well 9th out of 11 in the 2.6litre and above. some seriously quick stuff in my class. Classic marques were there in there own class and I had a good chat to Steve. Ironically i beat a couple of the mg's and tvr's as well so absolutely chuffed to bits and buzzing. During the run at one point i looked at the revometer and it was 7000 rpm. Bugger i thought expecting the valves to come out through the bonnet

However after 250 miles driving on the A30 at 4500rpm (= 75 mph) and back home its the gear train thats now wailing again and horrendous oil leaks.


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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by reliant-reviver » Mon May 15, 2017 9:18 am

Mikey. Good that you enjoyed the event. Not so good on the arrival of another chapter of gearbox troubles.

per chance do you step under any ladders or knock over any mirrors on your way into the garage?

can't you refit The type 9 and neglect to tell anyone...


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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by MikeyBikey » Mon May 15, 2017 7:32 pm

The type 9 broke last year and haven't dared take the top off as it sounded like bolts in a bucket :lol: :roll:


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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by scimjim » Mon May 15, 2017 8:36 pm

If you're breaking 4 speed boxes (which are pretty indestructible), the type 9 won't stand a chance!


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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by BigBobPilot » Mon May 15, 2017 9:11 pm

It's odd that you keep breaking gearboxes, there has to be something wrong. I know you've never seen it, but Big Bob ran for years with a 4 speed box, with 275bhp & 247 lb ft torque, with 11" super soft hillclimb slicks. It did eventually strip a gear, and was replaced by a Borg Warner T5, however, it took a lot of stick. Admittedly, it wasn't used on the road, but still...

What clutch are you running, does it have a sprung friction plate?
Is the propshaft ok on the gearbox seal face (i.e is it loosing oil out the back)
Is it your driving, are you trying to flat shift it or just banging the clutch in, i.e side slipping the clutch pedal? Do you drive holding the gear lever in constant load?
Would it be cheaper to pay more for a rebuilt box from the likes of BGH?


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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by efi_sprintgte » Mon May 15, 2017 9:33 pm

Yes I have to wonder the above, or if the bellhousing is dodgy causing the gbox to not be in perfectly square?


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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by MikeyBikey » Mon May 15, 2017 9:52 pm

It is currently a bgh 4 speed. my first four speed destroyed synchro on second. So I put the five speed in. Broke that. Then I put in the bgh. Damaged it last year with a worn circlip so had it rebuilt. I've also had three clutches , the latest is a cosworth. and I've had at least three spigot bearings. I'm on my third clutch cable. And I've used several clutch release bearings, both shallow and deep.

Tbh I realised this weekend I'm a brutal, unsympathetic driver and so I suspect it's the common factor in all of this, me.

I'm surprised this engine has lasted as long as it has. I'm as deaf as a post and once I have the helmet on can't hear anything except the roar of the exhausts. It's only when I look at the revometer I see I've screaming the absolute bollocks off the engine...

After Anglesey, my first ever event, I realised I bent the accelerator pedal pressing it so hard to the floor.
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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by scimjim » Mon May 15, 2017 9:57 pm

Are you clutch kicking for drifting? :mrgreen:


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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by MikeyBikey » Mon May 15, 2017 10:01 pm

Not sure what clutch kicking is Jim, I kick just about everything else in the car. :lol: :lol:


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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by efi_sprintgte » Mon May 15, 2017 10:11 pm

4500 rpm to do 75mph?? Sounds like your tacho has the smiths overread to me.


I'm still inclined to say there is going to be something strange causing these failures mate


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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by philhoward » Mon May 15, 2017 10:12 pm

efi_sprintgte wrote:4500 rpm to do 75mph?? Sounds like your tacho has the smiths overread to me.


I'm still inclined to say there is going to be something strange causing these failures mate
You have actually seen Mikey's driving style? :mrgreen:


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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by Roger Pennington » Mon May 15, 2017 10:27 pm

Maybe you need a shift light, to help stop over-revving without needing to read the tacho?


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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by CNHSS1 » Mon May 15, 2017 11:03 pm

Rev limiter and shift light for sure.

Oil leaks have killed a couple of boxes though haven't they Mike? No box even a new one would last 250miles with oil piddling out of it ;-)

Certainly transmissions get some hammer on hillclimbs and i too have sh*gged a fair few in mine. A combo of power, more grip and I do clutch kick at a couple of tracks tend to kill mine.
Clutch kicking is dipping clutch to build revs say out of a slow corner then letting it out to stop the engine bogging, effective but savage on all drivetrain bits...


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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by scimjim » Mon May 15, 2017 11:09 pm

Riding the clutch to keep revs up (particularly effective with turbos) is hard on the clutch but kicking is a method used by drifters - high rpm, turn the wheel and kick the clutch down and immediately let off to get the rear wheels spinning - really hard on the gearbox, prop and axle.


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Re: Mikey Bikeys attempt at sprinting - Car 1

Post by BigBobPilot » Mon May 15, 2017 11:26 pm

MikeyBikey wrote:Tbh I realised this weekend I'm a brutal, unsympathetic driver and so I suspect it's the common factor in all of this, me.

I'm surprised this engine has lasted as long as it has. I'm as deaf as a post and once I have the helmet on can't hear anything except the roar of the exhausts. It's only when I look at the revometer I see I've screaming the absolute bollocks off the engine...

After Anglesey, my first ever event, I realised I bent the accelerator pedal pressing it so hard to the floor.
If you know and admit there are issues with your driving, then you know which areas you need to work on...

It may not just be one thing, mechanical or driver, but as Jim's signature says, "cure the fault - not the symptoms". There needs to be some investigation as you will run out of enthusiasm & pennies by breaking boxes all the time; just ask Craig, even though he knows the issue with his boxes.


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