Automatic for the People? AKA The Flying Broomstick

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Automatic for the People? AKA The Flying Broomstick

Post by philhoward » Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:53 am

Cheesy name, but first thing that came into my head!

Anyway, this is v2.0 of an automatic gearbox'd small sports project. v1.0 involved an 1800Ti and an S12 (Silvia) autobox, since aborted. This version uses the same Jatco 4 speed overdrive (yes!) with lockup gearbox and electronic control, but with a different engine up front to get round the possible issue of expensive exhaust manifolds. If it was going to be a performance upgrade, it wouldn't be a 4-cylinder engine :mrgreen:

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A bit of chassis trimming to suit:
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Length looking good:
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Add a bulkhead section for a test fit:
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Yes - as others have guessed (NickK..) we have a 1600cc, 16v fuel injected engine from Mazda.

Plan? What Plan? :mrgreen: It changed several times yesterday - especially when finding that the MX-5 dashboard looks like a near perfect fit into a Small Sports tub..


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Re: Automatic for the People?

Post by reliant-reviver » Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:57 am

Interesting stuff!

I hope that chassis is just a trial mock up. Otherwise it'll soon be out of shape. I bounced on MOH's chassis with the engine out. Required creative use of a sash clamp to get the chassis rails back in line for the cross member bolts to line up!


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Re: Automatic for the People?

Post by philhoward » Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:59 am

Yes, that one is certainly "mock-up v1.0". We think it's already out of shape a bit as the bulkhead didn't fit all that well..


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Re: Automatic for the People?

Post by Lukeyboy46 » Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:49 am

Look forward to seeing the next mock up!


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Re: Automatic for the People?

Post by philhoward » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:09 am

Might be a while, Luke - progress is pretty much hampered by me being in the country and getting a day pass to "go and play". On the up-side, it's a car for Mrs. H, so getting permission should be easier...


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Re: Automatic for the People?

Post by Lukeyboy46 » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:18 am

Well that's a billy bonus, she might be a little more lenient!


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Re: Automatic for the People? AKA The Flying Broomstick

Post by Oaksey » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:04 pm

Should be an interesting car when done. I hear those MX5 engines are easy to super and turbo charge... :twisted:


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Re: Automatic for the People? AKA The Flying Broomstick

Post by philhoward » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:17 pm

Especially the Auto ones as they already shaved 0.4 off the compression ratio :mrgreen:


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Re: Automatic for the People? AKA The Flying Broomstick

Post by nickkeyser » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:53 pm

Cool! Whats the deal with the tub with all the holes filled in?


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Re: Automatic for the People? AKA The Flying Broomstick

Post by philhoward » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:38 pm

Jim Kings racer one - bit lighter than a whole tub for trial purposes ;)


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Re: Automatic for the People? AKA The Flying Broomstick

Post by choughton » Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:31 pm

I had wondered how long it would take you until you needed another project to sink your teeth into! :P I look forward to seeing how you tackle the rest of the project. You say that the mx5 dashboard is a near perfect fit? :D .

Also, I know how frustrating it is not being able to spend enough time on your projects as it is I'm lucky if I get a couple of hours a month on mine right now. Good luck with this one mate!



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Re: Automatic for the People? AKA The Flying Broomstick

Post by philhoward » Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:38 pm

Cheers, Chris!

We started looking at the heater, then remembered where it goes on the Mazda (central) and how there isn't any space there on an SS1.. Started as a conversation about keeping the MX-5 binnacle (because it has a speed transducer built into the speedo head for the autobox controller), then onto the vent ducting for the screen and before you know it, we were trial fitting it onto a tub; looks like trimming the piece on the SS1 that houses the screen ducts and it looks like it will fit. Width is almost bang on and the curvature along the screen area is quite close. Even has a built-in crossbrace for hanging the column off! What has surprised is how well made (and braced) the Mazda is (was).

Comical moment of the day yesterday was Jim applying the handbrake with too much ease and then realising the callipers were on the floor next to him... :mrgreen:


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Re: Automatic for the People? AKA The Flying Broomstick

Post by choughton » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:50 pm

How big is the mx5 heater matrix? I only ask because If the ss1 matrix could be re-positioned then you would have use of the mx5 glove box too.



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Re: Automatic for the People? AKA The Flying Broomstick

Post by CNHSS1 » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:50 pm

philhoward wrote: Comical moment of the day yesterday was Jim applying the handbrake with too much ease and then realising the callipers were on the floor next to him... :mrgreen:
I did a similar thing on Batmobile a few years ago. Sat in the car and let it roll down the drive into the garage, furiously pumping the brake pedal to get it to stop (it hit the engine crane eventually...) even though though the brake calipers, both front and rear were in a cardboard box stored 20 miles away :oops: :roll:


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Re: Automatic for the People? AKA The Flying Broomstick

Post by Barrie James » Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:55 pm

CNHSS1 wrote:
philhoward wrote: Comical moment of the day yesterday was Jim applying the handbrake with too much ease and then realising the callipers were on the floor next to him... :mrgreen:
I did a similar thing on Batmobile a few years ago. Sat in the car and let it roll down the drive into the garage, furiously pumping the brake pedal to get it to stop (it hit the engine crane eventually...) even though though the brake calipers, both front and rear were in a cardboard box stored 20 miles away :oops: :roll:
I thought it was only me who did that sort of thing, and I've been putting it down to age.


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