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The Snotty Swan

Post by philhoward » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:05 am

Time for another project thread :mrgreen:

This is another "will it fit" project, but hopefully won't become still-born at the first hurdle..

Mrs. H has been on at me (and Jim) to make an Automatic SS1 for several years now and it seems like things have fallen into place to get the right bits together to see if this will actually work. If so, this might not be the first automatic Small Sports (that honour, I think, goes to a certain Sabre with a V8, currently disguised as a dining table), but it might the first one that still looks just like an SS1. It doesn't look to be the easiest task in the world, but hopefully no more difficult than fitting an Omega engine into an SE5a :twisted:

Start off with this:
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And add one of these:
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..and see if it fits!

Some remedial work to do on the SS1 first and it looks like there will need to be some tunnel surgery required, but how much is currently an unknown. The autobox looks to be considerably wider, but not as tall as the manual one that will be coming out:
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but some more detailed measurements are needed before getting Mr. Angry Grinder out to play. There are also a few wiring mods needed as there's a control unit for the box itself, an extra input from the throttle body, another signal from the ECU as well as a speed sensor which on the donor Silvia comes from the speedo head (so that might be fun!).

Lets see how long this one takes - although Mrs. H wants to do the Autotest at Billing in it...


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Re: The Self Shifting Snotty Swan

Post by Bigblock472 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:53 pm

So is it getting the Silvia turbo lump as well?



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Re: The Self Shifting Snotty Swan

Post by Oaksey » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:59 pm

It's already got one of them in it. The engine is certainly the best bit of the SS1 Ti :twisted:


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Re: The Self Shifting Snotty Swan

Post by Bigblock472 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:08 pm

Oakesy wrote:It's already got one of them in it. The engine is certainly the best bit of the SS1 Ti :twisted:
OOops! Showing my ignorance. I thought they were all fitted with the Ford CVH engine. Must be a bit of a goer with the Silvia Turbo!



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Re: The Self Shifting Snotty Swan

Post by Oaksey » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:09 pm

The SS1 had the 1300,1400,1600 CVH and the CA18ET engine, "only" the 8 valve version, though :wink:

Oh, and to keep it on topic, its good to see snotty finally getting some attention, it'll certainly be an interesting project. It'll also be good to see how it does in the auto test :twisted:


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Re: The Self Shifting Snotty Swan

Post by dcw7095 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:19 pm

On first glance at the first picture I thought...god that's ambitious - towing an Audi Q7 with an SS1 :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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Re: The Self Shifting Snotty Swan

Post by scimjim » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:46 pm

The reason snotty was immobile is due to a holed rad and damaged front armature - this is what it arrived like:

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First off, connect up a battery, check for oil and bits hanging off and give it a quick turn over.

http://s215.beta.photobucket.com/user/s ... 3.mp4.html

then start ripping bits off:

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Damper bush missing from LH top mount: http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc25 ... G_6210.mp4

RH brake flexis disconnected – one missing (I hadn't taken the wheels off to check but Phil then remembered that the RH caliper was also missing :-))

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LH anti-roll bar mount disconnected (probably to try and get the rad out)

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RH front side/ind wiring bodged – replacement plug found

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Wiring resting on turbo stripped back for checking :shock:

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ALL fuel pipes need replacing (braided string/garden hose type fitted!)

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My spare rad is toast :( we'll have a look for an alternative with built in gearbox oil cooler before deciding on this.

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on the plus side, it came with a new galvanised lower rail, which I bolted onto a replacement rad surround.

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the Polo rad is a good fit but the inlet/outlets are wrong for a Ti

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Damper cover missing from RH unit (probably to avoid contact with the battery tray) – suggest battery in boot ayway?

RH headlight motor winder missing (tested and the motor works)

I'm a little worried about the size of the autobox but we'll have a better idea tomorrow :-)
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Re: The Self Shifting Snotty Swan

Post by scimjim » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:48 pm

Oakesy wrote:The SS1 had the 1300,1400,1600 CVH and the CA18ET engine, "only" the 8 valve version, though :wink:
all CA18ET are 8 valve :mrgreen:
dcw7095 wrote:On first glance at the first picture I thought...god that's ambitious - towing an Audi Q7 with an SS1 :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
that's exactly what Chris Wise said the other day :-)

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Re: The Self Shifting Snotty Swan

Post by MikeyBikey » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:57 pm

Confused from cornwall here. Is this Jim or Phil doing the project or is it as all good things, a collaboration :lol: :lol:


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Post by Oaksey » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:00 pm

Dam, bad wording, said that because "silvia engine" was said :D :lol:


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Re: The Self Shifting Snotty Swan

Post by scimjim » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:05 pm

MikeyBikey wrote:Confused from cornwall here. Is this Jim or Phil doing the project or is it as all good things, a collaboration :lol: :lol:
the latter :-)


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Re: The Self Shifting Snotty Swan

Post by scimjim » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:06 pm

the interior is surprisingly nice and should be okay with a good clean - pity most of it may have to come out to widen the tunnel :roll:


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Re: The Self Shifting Snotty Swan

Post by scimjim » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:13 pm

After BKs thread about the air filter, I whipped the top off for a peek :shock:
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worse was to come - I noticed that the AFM had water in it

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dried it all up, then saw some more deep down, so disconnected it all and tipped it out :shock:

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how on earth was this running?
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Re: The Self Shifting Snotty Swan

Post by Ben Kenobe » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:18 pm

I feel vindicated now - see I wasn't making it up about those POS filters ... :wink:

Have got to agree battery in the boot is the best option, makes so many little jobs so much easier with the thing out of the way, I have taken the battery out of SST 8 so often I've just left it out for now. The Sabres is in the boot which is how come I know it is the best place for it.

I'm no longer a fan of oil coolers in radiators - especially autobox ones after my Landcruiser died as a result of it - well it didn't die it just cost £4k to fix. I think you're going to need a cooler though.

As for space perhaps you can sit the engine a little further forward though - or make up a mount that is pretty solid if it does go between the rails, there isn't a lot of room on the SST Ti around the manual box but most of the Silvia boys reckon they are pretty much the same with the Auto being slightly shorter, I reckon if anything messes you up it will be the bell housing.


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Re: The Self Shifting Snotty Swan

Post by philhoward » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:28 pm

I am leaning towards a separate cooler - unless a suitable (new) rad appears for beer money!

Have a plan for the positioning and as the box appears shallower than the manual one...well, it might all sit a bit higher.

With a nice high overdrive 4th it should make for nicer motorway manners as well.


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