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Post by scimjim » Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:59 pm

Nick wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:35 pm
Corky,

I found a harness a great help.

Interestingly Super/Turbo cars work well in CM, more about spread than peak power. The supercharged MX5's are very effective .as is the 4 cyl Boxster.

Out of interest my MR2 is 178 bhp/137 ft/lbs. The Turbo is 200/200, so only 12% more power but 46% more torque. Only a 1.2% increase in handicap. If only I could find a good one :roll:
a friend of mine has an imported turbo - the later ones (same age as your NA if it’s the 170+ BHP engine) are nearer 250 brake?


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Post by nickkeyser » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:27 pm

Corky wrote: DET - 50.60 (actual 52.73) (25/04/2015) (Handicap 95.96%)
Sabre - 51.19 (actual 54.38) (25/06/2016) (Handicap 94.14%)
Honda - 51.41 (actual 56.33) (29/06/2019) (Handicap 91.28%)
Ok, so at risk of being flamed, but I think this shows A. How well the handicap works, and B. How well the SS1s go in comparison.

You have got the favoured car and one of the favoured tyres, and gone to a venue that the car favours (compared with some of the tigger places that favour the SS1), posted respecable times but on handicap still came out slower :wink: . I’m sure that with development, investment and seat time your would close that gap and surpass it, but to a certain extent given the same time and continued development the others would go faster too.

Glad to see your enjoying the S2000, we loved ours, the V-tech is brilliant, really Jekyll and Hyde - like having two cars! As you have found the ealier cars were very stiff at the back, they slowly the softened the rear year on year so there’s plenty of scope to mix and match arbs. I had eibach springs (nicely suited to the standard shocks) on mine which helped. When they face lifted them in 2004 they changed the subframe and top arms to improve the rear geometry and reduce the bump steer - I’ve got the bits here to do this if your interested.



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Post by Corky » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:17 pm

Hahaha you could have a point, I was slower :lol:

A fairer comparison would probably be with my first visit to Aintree in the DET. In which case, I blitzed it in the S2K. Dammed lies and statistics eh :w

What bits have you got then? Feel free to drop me a pm. Lukeyboy is sorting me out with an ARB.


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Post by Alan SS1 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:56 pm

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But a S2000 motor in an SS1... 8)
as an onlooker / bystander to all this competition stuff you know that's just plain crazy, but an interesting concept :wink:

but you'd be starting with a STOCK Honda engine which in 'factory spec' is well in excess of a 'hopped up' Toyota,, so 'unstressed' vs 'wringing every last BHP out of it'
(very much like 'can't beat cubic inches' )


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Post by CNHSS1 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:44 pm

Alan
Beauty of using a hi-po bog standard engine is that they are designed to do 150,000 miles at that power level. An S2000 is circa 240hp from memory, has a 6 speed box behind it capable of that power level and again huge service intervals and expected longevity compared to say a 240hp Essex or even a nissan turbo engine. I believe Ric Wood would relieve you of £12k-£15k for a 240hp Essex which will need rebuilding after 20hrs running.

Modern stuff is just better when it comes to wearing performance items. I love the idea of the "Retro-Modding" movement, all the looks and charm of old cars with the practicality, performance, braking ability of modern tech, and ironically it's often cheaper to transplant modern bits than "tune" old tech.

Cant wait to hear Lukeys GTE pass the finish line at ,9000rpm!!! :w 8)


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Post by Alan SS1 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:17 pm

Alan SS1 wrote:
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CNHSS1 wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:53 pm
But a S2000 motor in an SS1... 8)
as an onlooker / bystander to all this competition stuff you know that's just plain crazy, but an interesting concept :wink:

but you'd be starting with a STOCK Honda engine which in 'factory spec' is well in excess of a 'hopped up' Toyota,, so 'unstressed' vs 'wringing every last BHP out of it'
(very much like 'can't beat cubic inches' )
no idea where 'Toyota' came from, bit of a senior moment . .. .

Yes I think I'm on the same lines as Craig, (new smallish engine in older smaller car) but if transplating an Essex then I thought the percieved option was a similar capacity to keep the 'lazy driving'


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Post by Nick » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:38 pm

Ironically a GTE with a Honda engine will weigh less than an s2000. Probably with less oversteer :oops:


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Post by CNHSS1 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:06 pm

Yeah much as I'm a 4 pot turbo fan, I'd agree the normal thinking would be a modern V6/V8 in a GTE although I'm sure Paul Turnbulls ford 2.3L 4 pot and Lukeys Honda 4 banger may change a few minds :D


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Post by Corky » Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:16 am

Nick wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:38 pm
Ironically a GTE with a Honda engine will weigh less than an s2000. Probably with less oversteer :oops:
The S2000 isn’t necessarily an over-steery kind of car. It just depends which model year you buy. Apparently the one I chose is the one most inclined to do it, due to an overly stiff rear ARB. Later cars had a softer rear ARB, which is often used as a replacement on my model. They are 50/50 weighted too. I’ll be really interested to see how Luke’s car turns out.


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Post by Corky » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:43 pm

Those of you who read the competition pages will know that the SS1 kicked back at Loton Park over the weekend and I ended up hitting a grass bank sideways and getting a little bit airborne . The rear wheel was bent underneath the car, the driver's side sill is bent, the drivers side door skin has come adrift around the B pillar, the front wing is hanging loose and there are probably many other little bent or broken bits I've yet to find.

I'm going to try and get it into a state where I can get back on track with it this season (Curbs is the target, but we'll have to see).


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Post by Corky » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:49 pm

Work has already started. I've removed the rear trailing arm, reconditioned and strengthened a replacement one I had on the shelf, prepped a replacement driveshaft for a Sierra CV joint (The CV joint that was on the car was destroyed).

I should get a good idea if the wheels still line up once this is fitted.
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Post by scimjim » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:38 pm

Is the diff okay - did the CV take all of the force?


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Post by Corky » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:57 pm

I think so. There’s no visible damage.

The rear arm took the brunt of the damage, and I think the twisting motion pulled the cv joint apart.


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Post by CNHSS1 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:53 pm

I sent you a message on FB Messenger earlier Steve re porta power


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Post by Corky » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:20 am

Cheers, replied.


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