Se5 door window fastenings

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Se5 door window fastenings

Post by housemartin » Wed May 10, 2017 11:16 pm

Good evening everyone,

After hitting a big pot hole on my drive home in the GTE, the drivers door glass has taken a dislike to the winder mechanism and lodged itself at the bottom of door.

I set about putting it back by removing the windows winder handle and then snapping the door latch trim. Not a good day!
Anyway, I now have the door trim off and it appears the channel the window glass sit in has rusted away.

Fortunately I have an old 5 door I acquired many years ago in my shed so I looked at the winder on that, but I cannot separate the glass from the channel.
Is it glued in place to prevent the the winder dropping down and leaving the window at he top, before a unceremonious crash to the bottom?

Any ideas to help me get a swap much appreciated before the rain reappears.

Cheers

Dan

P.S. Any idea if I can get spare door latch trim or if superglue will fix it?



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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by scimjim » Thu May 11, 2017 8:53 am

It's not glued, just really tight. Removal and refitting is scary as you have to apply lots of force!


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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by housemartin » Thu May 11, 2017 11:25 pm

Jim,

Thanks for the advise, I would have been stuck without it.

I jammed a piece of wood between the the window glass and bottom of the door, then tapped a piece of wood again the channel to separated them.
With of spray lubricant and some more tapping, I got the window securely fixed in the window winder channel again.

Out of interest my donor door was from a 5 with the indented bottom of the door and the wooden door pull in the middle of the door and my 5a has the flat door panel with the swinging door pull at the top of the door. Where does the flat door card with the wooden door pull fit into the timeline of interior changes?
Also you know which year electric door windows were offered as options?

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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by scimjim » Fri May 12, 2017 9:23 am

The indented door card is 5 and the flat one is 5a, so the changeover was Oct 71. I think the SE5 had EW as an option fairly early on?
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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by Scimher » Fri May 12, 2017 12:49 pm

...Er...was it Oct. '71, Jim, rather than '72?



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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by scimjim » Fri May 12, 2017 5:08 pm

Scimher wrote:...Er...was it Oct. '71, Jim, rather than '72?
Correct Geoff - that's what I wrote




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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by Scimher » Sat May 13, 2017 3:59 pm

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Scimher wrote:...Er...was it Oct. '71, Jim, rather than '72?
Correct Geoff - that's what I wrote




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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by housemartin » Sun May 21, 2017 1:33 pm

Guys the winders are now working great and that annoying rattle has gone.
However on inspection the chrome weather trim at he bottom of the window opening is loose.
I see it needs riveting back in place, but the glass is in the way.
Do I have to drill out the channel guides or can the window be removed with the in channels in place?
I have searched the forum, but the only reference of removing glass is to the se6 with it bigger windows.
Thank for your assistance
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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by GavinR » Mon May 22, 2017 5:24 pm

Hi,

From memory you need to remove the frame to remove the window glass

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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by scimjim » Mon May 22, 2017 5:52 pm

Sikoflex?


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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by housemartin » Mon May 22, 2017 10:15 pm

Gavin, I was afraid that would be the answer and I don't fancy get the bolts undone.
Thank you for the confirmation.

Jim, great idea - "no more rivets" what a fantastic product.
I wonder what the lifespan of a sikaflex joint will be. If it only last one years I will be more than happy.

Cheers guys, non of this advise can be found in any manual.

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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by limegreen5A » Fri May 26, 2017 11:29 am

Anyone know where I can get replacements for the channels the window glass sit in on a 5a? mine look very rusy and on their way out - keen to avoid Dan's problem above

cant seem to see them on QRG's price list or scim-tvr centre but I've not spoken with them directly

Wondered if they were from another car?

thanks

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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by philhoward » Fri May 26, 2017 1:01 pm

They might be Jag XJ6 S1 - I think the motors are (they look very similar) for the electric windows.

That doesn't necessarily mean they're easy to get though!


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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by limegreen5A » Fri May 26, 2017 5:09 pm

OK interesting - I've heard mention of Rover SD1 too - I've got wind up rather than electric windows so may be different again. Like you say if the XJS S1 may be a different challenge to find :)

you would think there would be some form of standard window channel holder with a slot in it to connect to the various mechanisms. Not seen one but wonder if such a thing exists


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Re: Se5 door window fastenings

Post by Coupe Racing » Fri May 26, 2017 5:15 pm

limegreen5A wrote:Anyone know where I can get replacements for the channels the window glass sit in on a 5a? mine look very rusy and on their way out - keen to avoid Dan's problem above

cant seem to see them on QRG's price list or scim-tvr centre but I've not spoken with them directly

Wondered if they were from another car?

thanks

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