Chassis modifications for roll cage fitment?

Post by **Dcrosby13** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:22 pm

Do what I did and buy another car to earn your license with. Or just buy a Boxster.

Post by **scimjim** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:24 pm

swoakes wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:16 pm
Question is how can you get one if your car does not allow you to run it with a B licence

Does passing ARDS give you non race A & B?

Post by **CNHSS1** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:11 pm

Hillclimb school days will also 'earn' you points towards a licence, as ARDS iirc (circuit racing licence).
I haven't looked into it, but I *think* the MSA have a mechanism in place to allow you to gain a licence required before competing.

Whilst I'm sure it may seem a lot of red tape, the idea is/was to create a ladder of experience before letting a complete novice out in an eleventy hundred horsepower weapon and ensure a reasonable level of safety (mandated harness, HANS and cage) so not as daft as initially seems. More roadbiased cars at entry licence, with added mods to require the further licences

Smiler · Post by **Smiler** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:06 pm

Thanks for all the replies.

Wow, this really getting quite involved. I perhaps need to do a little more research and speak to the local venues as to what I can enter into.

Either way I would want to fit a cage to protect me and it would be silly to go to all that trouble and not have it MSA compliant.

Post by **turbster** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:52 pm

Specialist modified production does not require an A licence and a SE5 qualifies..Not sure why people seem to overlook this all of the time when putting engine swaps straight into Libre??

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:05 pm

The trouble is the 5 situation is ambiguous. Is it Series or Specialist production? Some (like Brian Crouch) believe it to be Series and run without extra rollover protection. In at least one year 5's allegedly were above the production minimum. Same arguments apply to modified.

Post by **swoakes** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:30 pm

turbster wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:52 pm
Specialist modified production does not require an A licence and a SE5 qualifies..Not sure why people seem to overlook this all of the time when putting engine swaps straight into Libre??

Because if all modified SE5's ran in specialist MP it would basically prevent an SE5 running in the standard RG class. Not everyone wants to fit a cage to a car also used on the road.

Post by **turbster** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:35 pm

I was just referring to this situation really. I see what you’re saying regarding road going though, just can’t see anyone caring enough for it to become an issue in practice?

Post by **swoakes** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:41 pm

turbster wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:35 pm
I was just referring to this situation really. I see what you’re saying regarding road going though, just can’t see anyone caring enough for it to become an issue in practice?

Flat Cap does for one

Post by **turbster** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:47 pm

Anyone officiating

Post by **turbster** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:49 pm

5a did over a thousand per annum anyway, Coupe and 5 did not.

Post by **swoakes** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:13 pm

With all models of Scim from Coupe to SS1 during my time competing we have always tried and actively been encouraged to enter the cars in the standard class whether it be RG or MP.

Entering any Scim in the specialist class risks them not being able to run in RG class in the future.

The production numbers issue is a real grey area

It would be a shame if future Scimitar owners can't easily compete by running in RG.

Post by **MikeyBikey** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:06 pm

As a 5a driver / competitor Standard / Specialist roadgoing in the 5a is a mute point. I have attended sprints where no one cares, and others where it has been queried. I always carry the wikipedia print out showing total of cars built and this does satisfy although I don't go into numbers per year.

But the reality is i drive like a loony, and its only going to be a question of time till i have a serious off and the lack of roll-cage / harness comes back to reap its revenge. I've finally realised this am doing the extra protection.

So I think if you want to compete in a 5a / 5a. If its just for a jaunt, then take the wikapedia summary and roadgoing will be fine. Anything else, regardless of class, have some decent protection.

Smiler · Post by **Smiler** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:17 pm

Thanks everyone for all of the replies. It makes for interesting reading.

It'll take a while to get the car built anyway so I guess I'll see what happens when the time comes. I'm not bothered about being competitive in whatever class I'm put into in whatever I enter, I'll only be looking to have some fun and improve on my own performance.

For now I'll just enjoy the build.