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Auto Welding Masks

Post by philhoward » Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:32 pm

Having just invested in one (instead of using the hand-held item you get free with welders), I can't believe how much easier life is with one!

I took a bit of advise (as it looked a minefield) from the welder-of-rotten-SS1-chassis, reliant-reviver and its the best £40 i've spent on garage equipment in a long time..allied with the half-price tool chest(s) bought from Halfords this weekend (and 10% extra for reserving online) it's been a good weekend of sorts. Bad bit was spending longer than anticipated finding sound metal to weld to on the Range Rover...


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Post by peter freeman » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:03 pm

I assume your also have a MIG - I could not believe how much easier my MIG is than the stick welder I used before. I wish however I could afford a TIG machine but unless I will the lottery there is no chance of that.
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Post by philhoward » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:35 pm

Have a stick welder as well, but was using the MIG yesterday. Wish I'd bought the TIG set B&Q were selling off cheap (£200) a few weeks ago.

Ah well!


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Post by peter freeman » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:56 pm

For £200 it must have been less than 2nd rate - most of the ones I have liked the look of have been over a grand.



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Post by philhoward » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:04 pm

It was a £500 set, "reduced to clear". Have seen a similar set being used at work - fine for little bits and bobs.


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Re: Auto Welding Masks

Post by Landyman » Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:09 pm

Try stick welding with 12 volt car battery as source of power. Once welded a Hillman Imp with this kit which I've still got. I hasten to add I've now moved on since then to 240 volt stick, oxy-aceteylene, Mig and Tig



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Re: Auto Welding Masks

Post by tiganutl » Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:13 pm

Beware of most of these TIG sets,they are no more than an MMA(Manual metal arc,or stick)set,with a couple of fancy switches.Most small MMA sets can be used as a scratch start TIG welder for stainless or mild steel,but if you want to weld ally,you will need a dc set with continuous high frequency(HF) I buy a lot of ex demo kit from various welding suppliers & wouldnt expect to get a usable set for less than £1200 plus torch,leads & foot pedal.
Most of the small plants at the lower end of the market have small transformers,giving a unstable arc at low amps,making it difficult to get a good,tidy weld.It would be far better to find a bigger,older plant which is much easier to use.

And yes,auto masks are a godsend,came too late for my eyes though.


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Re: Auto Welding Masks

Post by Coupe Racing » Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:27 pm

what MIG do you have Phil

I tried mine with 3mm steel and you can see the penetration is pretty good - but hardly visible on 4mm

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Re: Auto Welding Masks

Post by philhoward » Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:49 pm

Mine's only a 90Amp Gasless (but can use the mini-bottles) jobber; can't reliably do more than 2mm but bought it specifically for car bodywork (my stick welder skills don't do that well on thin stuff). For heavy stuff I break out the MMA welder - although that can only do about 4mm (160A). Anything over that i'll sub it out...

If I did serious welding i'd probably get myself an ex-indsutrial 250A MIG set but most of them are 3 phase...which I don't have...


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Re: Auto Welding Masks

Post by tiganutl » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:12 pm

There are quite a few sets around 200 amps in single phase,some of them will run a spool on gun for ally.The duty cycle will not be brilliant at full power,but you cant have everything.


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Re: Auto Welding Masks

Post by Terry H » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:16 pm

This is my "Thermal Arc" arc welder, It does arc and tig welding, but I don't have the tig torch or argon bottle for it at the moment. Had this left in my garage by a fitter that was doing some work on a car for me. He hung himself one day and still owed me £800 I'd lent him, was I annoyed at him until I spotted the welder in the corner of my garage. I also have a SIP mig welder. Cant use any of them very well but my MOT man always has a laugh about anything I've welded saing it will never come apart.
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Re: Auto Welding Masks

Post by peter freeman » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:26 pm

I think mine is 160 amps with 4 power settings and of course speed control. It does not have long duty cycle but that does not bother me as I space weld anyway. I bought it because it is a gas/no gas unit which is good when you have to work out in the wind. The only complaint I have about it is that it does not like the large spools so I have to wind wire onto small spools ( having bought large ones ). Managed to do the chassis on the Coupe from front to back without much trouble even if I did not do it quickly.



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Post by tiganutl » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:29 pm

Thermal Arc are very good,that is a nice plant.


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Re: Auto Welding Masks

Post by philhoward » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:41 pm

For what I paid for mine (£40, ebay, second hand), it does what I need. If I was going to do more then i'd look for something heavier - and budget accordingly. Maybe one one these days..or if a bargain came my way!


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Re: Auto Welding Masks

Post by Raz987 » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:50 pm

Terry H wrote: Had this left in my garage by a fitter that was doing some work on a car for me. He hung himself one day and still owed me £800 I'd lent him, was I annoyed at him until I spotted the welder in the corner of my garage.
Such a beautiful story...


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