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Re: How many left???

Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:43 pm

I had a suspicion that that's how it would come out, as I'd already looked at the GTE figures, and they looked pretty strange - that's more than the total production :shock:


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Re: How many left???

Post by ScimitarMatt » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:50 pm

Just to throw a spanner into the works, one of my coupes has GTE on the V5 as the model so all these numbers must be taken with a pinch of salt


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Re: How many left???

Post by philhoward » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:21 pm

I think I might have a theory - if a vehicle is only taxed for 6 months a year, then it would appear in both the Licensed AND SORN figures? That would explain the GTCs! Most do seem to be hidden over winter (found that out when trying to get cars for the NEC last year).


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Re: How many left???

Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:41 pm

philhoward wrote:I think I might have a theory - if a vehicle is only taxed for 6 months a year, then it would appear in both the Licensed AND SORN figures? That would explain the GTCs! Most do seem to be hidden over winter (found that out when trying to get cars for the NEC last year).
That's a very good point Phil, that means that if you accept that all vehicles must be either licensed or SORNed then probably a single quarterly "slice" of both figures is more accurate. Of course not all cars are in those two categories, maybe the (unlicensed) others are the "missing"?


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Post by philhoward » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:44 pm

Well, yes - the Barn Find project of mine is currently still classed as "unlicensed" as it was taken off the road when SORN was just a twinkle in a politicians eye..


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Re: How many left???

Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:53 pm

Well, actually I must be wrong about that, (at least in part) because that doesn't account for the taxed "missing" :?


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Re: How many left???

Post by Roger Pennington » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:31 am

So, taking Phil's suggestion gives the following for the quarter 4 2010 figures (subtotals for each group):

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.............................................Lic+ SORN....Licensed.... SORN
RELIANT SABRE.............................. 36......... 23........ 13

RELIANT SCIMITAR.......................... 224........ 142........ 82

RELIANT SCIMITAR GTE E ODVE
RELIANT SCIMITAR GTE AUTO
RELIANT SCIMITAR GTE..................... 2282....... 897.........1385

RELIANT SCIMITAR GTC
RELIANT SCIMITAR GTC AUTO............. 279........ 123........ 156

RELIANT SCIMITAR SS1
RELIANT SCIMITAR TI
RELIANT SCIMITAR SST
RELIANT SCIMITAR SABRE.................. 641........ 262........ 379

RELIANT Missing
RELIANT Missing............................. 930........ 670........ 260

................................Totals...........4392....... 2117....... 2275


So they seem to make more sense that way - is anybody brave enough to consider them in any way definitive though? :? :)


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Re: How many left???

Post by philhoward » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:48 am

As for "missing" then I suspect the V5 just says "Reliant" and nothing under "model". I've seen an example of this recently (albeit on a Middlebridge) where the word "Scimitar" isn't anywhere on the document..yet the MOT said "Reliant Scimitar"..!


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Re: How many left???

Post by Roger Pennington » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:56 am

Yes, I think I was totally on the wrong track before. The "missing" ones do have the capacity to affect some of the numbers quite a lot if they were included with them - for example the figures show 1 SST taxed and 4 on SORN, which seems rather low - perhaps Reliant weren't any more sure what to call them than we sometimes are! :lol:


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Post by Mateybass » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:53 am

Roger Pennington wrote:Yes, I think I was totally on the wrong track before. The "missing" ones do have the capacity to affect some of the numbers quite a lot if they were included with them - for example the figures show 1 SST taxed and 4 on SORN, which seems rather low - perhaps Reliant weren't any more sure what to call them than we sometimes are! :lol:
That could be down to incorrect details initially entered on the V5 as already mentioned here. I know of at least 2 SST that were taxed during the last quarter of 2010. Until today, mine was registered as an SS1. I have changed that through the local DVLA office to SST so next years figures will at least be slightly more accurate on that count. I believe my brother's SST is also registered as an SS1 on his V5 so that may account for the lower numbers than expected for SST. It's tricky to presume that the list of SST here is just for 1400s too as it really depends on what was entered on the V5 at registration for each SST be they CVH or Ti.

Does the registrar have this V5 model information and is it worth recommending that owners with incorrect model details entered on their V5 to correct them with the DVLA? It's easily done :D


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Re: How many left???

Post by Corky » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:29 am

Sorry I'm just catching up with this thread (I've been away this week). Using Ian's link the GTC figures look about right to me, if you add both figures for a particular quarter then add Auto + Manual, you get a figure just below 300.


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Re: How many left???

Post by Roger Pennington » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:54 am

Yes, as per my note above it was 279 in Q4. That was an small increase from Q3 (262) but interestingly the proportion of Licensed to SORN changes quite a lot - in Q3 169/93, in Q4 123/156. It seems lots of GTC owners put them to bed in the winter....... :)


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Re: How many left???

Post by Corky » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:11 am

Just taking the licensed figures shows a pretty good GTC survival rate percentage wise, when added to the SORN figure it looks even better. I wonder what percentage of Merc SL's, BMW 3 series Bauer, Golf Cabrios, Lancia Beta etc. of the same era have survived ? I think the Lancia' could be counted on one hand......!

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Re: How many left???

Post by Roger Pennington » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:46 am

scimitarcars.org.uk wrote: I think the Lancia' could be counted on one hand......!
They could probably be lifted in one hand as well, they're so full of holes.......


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Re: How many left???

Post by CLASSICFORDSPARES » Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:17 pm

we had a play about with this on a cortina forum too . If you search for Cortina it gives all the model variants, according to the figurs there are 0 1.6 GLs but we know at least 3 cars taxed on the road and registered as 1.6 GL so the database is definately innacurate however you read it.



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