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How many left???

Post by iankimpton » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:10 pm

Found this but couldnt get a breakdown between SE5 and SE6 for GTE...
http://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?q=reliant+scimitar



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Re: How many left???

Post by scimjim » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:18 pm

that's the data we used to get from the DfT (supposedly taken from MOT data) - as you can see from the SS1 & SST lines, the collection and/or collation is too poor to use and throws the integrity of the remainder into question.


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Re: How many left???

Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:36 pm

Yes, if this is based on the kind of MOT data that was released in a blaze of publicity/hype a little while ago, there's a thread elsewhere giving it a fairly thorough debunking.

Edit Here it is

edit (again :roll: ) Having now looked in more detail at some of the base data this is clearly different data from that which I was referring to above, so I'll reserve judgement for a while. :)


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Re: How many left???

Post by scimjim » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:18 pm

I've just noticed that on the table Ian linked to if you click on the vehicle type, you get a breakdown by quarters that's much more realistic - the number on that front page is just one quarters number!!!

eg - the SS1 shows 207 for 2010 but in the breakdown it shows:

Quarter/#Licensed/#SORN

Q4 162 283
Q3 207 250
Q2 206 255
Q1 157 319

I'm trying to find out if those stats are total per year (which would mean there are a total of 1839 SS1 - there were only 1507 cars built) or per 1/4, so there were 476 cars in Q1, 461 in Q2, 457 in Q3 & 445 in Q4 which seemed too low until you couple it with the Ti data (which must include the Ti SST if you look at the numbers of SST):

Q4 67 68
Q3 79 48
Q2 71 70
Q1 64 80

giving 144 cars in Q1, 141 in Q2, 127 in Q3 and 135 in Q4

giving a total for all SS1 of 620, 602, 584 & 580 - still a fair chunk lower than I would have estimated ...... but?


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Re: How many left???

Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:47 pm

If you really fancy some number crunching then by backtracking from that google website you can get to This Website, which is where you'll find all the raw data in downloadable excel spreadsheets of, for example, licenced by make/model, SORNed by make/model, and so on.

One thing which is a concern, is that in the "licenced by make/model" table, there are a huge number (c600 a quarter) of Reliants whose model is listed as "Missing" :shock: These don't seem (at least at first glance) to be accounted for in the google "overview"
(Thinking about it, that's probably because the search term was "Reliant Scimitar")

Edit - Re-reading your last note, maybe that's a running 600 ish , rather than 600 a quarter, still quite a large number though?


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Re: How many left???

Post by scimjim » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:19 pm

yep - already did that (from this table - I ran a search for Reliant then removed the 3 wheelers etc) and it gets really confusing:

Make.................2010 q4..........2010 q3..........2010 q2..........2010 q1

edit - info deleted as it corrupted somehow - reposted further down

this is only licensed cars but doesn't correlate with the numbers on the original page - or reality!

it's fine to give politicians data to say "there's fifty trillion cars on the road in UK today" but it's no good for detail work.
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Re: How many left???

Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:29 pm

Yes that's the same spreadsheet you get to from the link in my note, which means I'm even more confused - your "missing" and "unknown" categories (for example) look very different from what I'm looking at????? :?


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Re: How many left???

Post by scimjim » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:33 pm

I just selected Reliant in the "make" drop down list, copied the result into a new sheet, then deleted everything missing a wheel, etc.


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Previous: SE5, 3 x SE5a, 2 x SE6a, 3 x SE6b, GTC, 2.9i GTC, 3 x 1600 SS1, 1300 SS1, Mk1 Ti Sabre, Mk1.5 CVH Sabre
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Re: How many left???

Post by iankimpton » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:47 pm

Jim,

Been following the thread and slightly confused with the various drop down and new tables etc... Doh! on my part.

Any chance that you've managed to get a definitive of sorts?

Ian



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Re: How many left???

Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:52 pm

Jim, I follow what you're saying, but on VEH120 the row for GTE ODVE (category G8002) only contains 309 in the most recent quarter (2010 q4) ? Whereas your list shows 835??? :?

my head hurts.........


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Re: How many left???

Post by scimjim » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:28 pm

I don't know what happened there - none of the lines have 829, so I'm not sure where it came from?

let's try again:

Model..................................2010 q4....2010 q3.....2010 q2....2010 q1

SCIMITAR GTE E ODVE...............309..........375..........370..........306
Missing................................623..........635..........639..........613
SCIMITAR GTE AUTO................228..........251..........249..........220
SCIMITAR GTE.......................360..........390..........385..........378
SCIMITAR SS1........................162..........207..........206..........157
SCIMITAR.............................142..........139..........143..........135
SCIMITAR TI..........................67..........79.............71.............64
SCIMITAR GTC.......................72..........91.............87.............64
SCIMITAR GTC AUTO................51..........78.............75............45
Missing................................47..........45............46.............44
SCIMITAR SABRE.....................32.............39............37.............36
SABRE.................................23.............22............26..............24
SCIMITAR SST.......................1..............3..............4...............1


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Re: How many left???

Post by scimjim » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:01 pm

so for 2010:

SABRE...............................95

SCIMITAR GTE E ODVE............ 1360
SCIMITAR GTE AUTO...............948
SCIMITAR GTE......................1513

TOTAL - 3821 (FROM AN ORIGINAL 15000? SEEMS LOW TO ME?)

SCIMITAR SS1......................732
SCIMITAR TI........................281
SCIMITAR SABRE..................144
SCIMITAR SST........................9

TOTAL - 1166 (THAT'S MORE LIKE IT :-))

SCIMITAR GTC.....................314
SCIMITAR GTC AUTO..............249

TOTAL - 563 (PRETTY IMPOSSIBLE :-))

SCIMITAR (COULD BE ANY MODEL) 559

Missing (WHAT?)...................182
Missing (DITTO?)...................2510


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Previous: SE5, 3 x SE5a, 2 x SE6a, 3 x SE6b, GTC, 2.9i GTC, 3 x 1600 SS1, 1300 SS1, Mk1 Ti Sabre, Mk1.5 CVH Sabre
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Re: How many left???

Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:11 pm

And, what about the SORNs?

I know it's gramatically incorrect to start a sentence with "and", but it seemed appropriate.........


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Re: How many left???

Post by scimjim » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:17 pm

2010 SORN data:

SCIMITAR GTE E ODVE..........2415
SCIMITAR GTE AUTO..........1580
SCIMITAR GTE..........1613
SCIMITAR SS1..........1107
Missing..........926
SCIMITAR..........314
SCIMITAR GTC..........285
SCIMITAR GTC AUTO..........242
SCIMITAR TI..........266
SCIMITAR SABRE..........83
Missing..........92
SABRE..........41
SCIMITAR SST..........12


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Current: SE5 (8Ball), TI SS1 (snotty), 1600 SS1 (G97), 1600 SS1 (C686CCR), 2.5TD SE5a (diesel 5a), 6 x random other SS1s.
Previous: SE5, 3 x SE5a, 2 x SE6a, 3 x SE6b, GTC, 2.9i GTC, 3 x 1600 SS1, 1300 SS1, Mk1 Ti Sabre, Mk1.5 CVH Sabre
Chief mechanic for: 1400 K series SS1 (Megan3), 1400 CVH EFi SS1 (Grawpy), Sabre/MX5 auto (The Flying Broomstick),
1300 SS1 (Number One) & Sarah's coupe.
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Re: How many left???

Post by scimjim » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:31 pm

Licensed & SORNd for 2010:

SABRE...............................95 Licensed 41 SORNd

SCIMITAR GTE E ODVE............ 1360 Licensed 2415 SORNd
SCIMITAR GTE AUTO...............948 Licensed 1580 SORNd
SCIMITAR GTE......................1513 Licensed 1613 SORNd

TOTAL - 3821 Licensed 5608 SORNd

SCIMITAR SS1......................732 Licensed 1107 SORNd
SCIMITAR TI........................281 Licensed 266 SORNd
SCIMITAR SABRE..................144 Licensed 83 SORNd
SCIMITAR SST........................9 Licensed 12 SORNd

TOTAL - 1166 Licensed 1468 SORNd

SCIMITAR GTC.....................314 Licensed 285 SORNd
SCIMITAR GTC AUTO..............249 Licensed 242 SORNd

TOTAL - 563 Licensed 527 SORNd

SCIMITAR (COULD BE ANY MODEL) 559 Licensed 314 SORNd

Missing (WHAT?)...................182 Licensed 92 SORNd
Missing (DITTO?)...................2510 Licensed 926 SORNd


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Current: SE5 (8Ball), TI SS1 (snotty), 1600 SS1 (G97), 1600 SS1 (C686CCR), 2.5TD SE5a (diesel 5a), 6 x random other SS1s.
Previous: SE5, 3 x SE5a, 2 x SE6a, 3 x SE6b, GTC, 2.9i GTC, 3 x 1600 SS1, 1300 SS1, Mk1 Ti Sabre, Mk1.5 CVH Sabre
Chief mechanic for: 1400 K series SS1 (Megan3), 1400 CVH EFi SS1 (Grawpy), Sabre/MX5 auto (The Flying Broomstick),
1300 SS1 (Number One) & Sarah's coupe.
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