SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

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SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scmarf » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:05 pm

Just been informed that my SS1 CVH silicone hose set is ready for collection. We need to test them for fitment and quality. When we have done so I will put something in Slice and here.


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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by reliant-reviver » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:17 pm

Oooo this is something I have been seriously considering recently. In the past 12 months I have had about 6 or 7 hose failures on my CVH cars, namely the one at the back of the engine 3 times!

I would therefore DEFFINETLY buy a set if they become avaliable. And a multiple order of the rear hoses, which are the worst to change (especially on a hot engine) and get the most abuse / fail the most frequently.


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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by philhoward » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:50 pm

You can mae a replacement stat to crosspipe hose from a 45 and 135 LONG elbow with about 200mm of (stainless) steel tube..done it once before.


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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scimjim » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:25 pm

would be good if we can negotiate a discount through Club spares for Club members?


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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:15 pm

Certainly sounds like a good idea (subject to cost of course), given recent concerns about rubber hoses. It may be worth mentioning that there are two "flavours" of CVH SS1 pipework......

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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scmarf » Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:21 pm

Roger Pennington wrote:Certainly sounds like a good idea (subject to cost of course), given recent concerns about rubber hoses. It may be worth mentioning that there are two "flavours" of CVH SS1 pipework......

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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by philhoward » Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:28 pm

Early ones (the vast majority) have the small bore metal pipe running under the exhaust manifold, and the bottom hose (to water pump) has the tee pipe to the expansion bottle. The later version (as per 1400s and late 1600s) has a metal pipe in the bottom hose with 3 (?) take offs to the heater and expansion bottle - I think, but doesn't (I think) have the small metal pipe from the back of the water pump to the heater


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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by Roger Pennington » Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:48 pm

That's the general idea, but as for the specifics a picture's worth a thousand words, and I'll be out fiddling with the car this afternoon so I'll take my camera, and all will be revealed later. :D

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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by Roger Pennington » Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:56 pm

Right, here we are, some photos of the relevant pipes. First of all here's the view of the main front pipe:

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As you can see, the water pump has a single straight outlet, which goes into the first rubber elbow (under the alternator bracket) leading to the metal pipe with multiple stub offshoots (stainless in my case). This pipe then leads into a second large rubber pipe which joins up with the small metal pipe in lower left leading to the radiator. After this metal pipe things are I think the same as the earlier cars. As far as the small stub pipes are concerned, the lower one (in the photo) goes to the expansion bottle, the middle one goes to the heater, and then to the thermostat housing, as in my second photo :

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And finally the stub nearest the water pump runs across the front of the engine to the water-powered autochoke as in my third picture:

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The other pipe from the autochoke going to the inlet manifold.

Hope that clarifies things. As Phil says the majority of SS1s have the earlier arrangement so would be covered by that, but it's probably useful to know that there are other types about, so a standard set won't quite fit *all*.

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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scmarf » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:23 pm

Thanks Roger.

'Our' car is a 1985 1300 so definitely looks different to yours. It has a rubber T section where your steel pipe is though it's been in the shed for 7 months so cannot get access to give give full details. Obviously it is VV carb so no auto choke feed. I guess it would be pretty easy to make up the difference with standard sections.

While I am here - anyone got a 5 speed gearstick? We want to do a 5 speed conversion but currently lack a prop shaft (promised - last summer!) and a gearstick. Is it easier to mod a Sierra one? Hope to commence repairs and upgrade this spring (but not looking good so far - see Ben's Project on the forum).

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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scmarf » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:24 pm

Just noticed we missed the small pipe from the back of the water pump to the pipe along the engine. It seems to be a taper but do people generally 'make do' with a straight section? It also looks like the centres are offset. Very fiddly design - or is it just the way mine has set? :?:


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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by speedy555 » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:58 pm

Heres some pics of my early cvh, not sure if you can make it all out or not? Bottom hose goes from water pump to Rad, with a piece going up to the header tank, all rubber.
From the back of the water pump is another hose that on mine goes to 15mm copper pipe :shock: than tees off for one of the heater pipes, and then rises up, and another hose fits on which goes over the engine & round to the inlet manifold.

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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scimrick » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:41 pm

Hi
responding to 2nd last post
on my standard 1600 the small hose runs to the heater behind the exhaust downpipe and is tapered and centres are eccentric. Shows on parts manual section S2 item 24 Heater and blower units. I replaced all hoses with standard stock plus GW stainless 3 part set when I got the car 5 years ago, and I'm now getting twitchy about the hose life left!
Roger's photos show different hose pattern to mine, my set up is again as the manual section E1 with the rubber T connecting water pump / header tank / radiator.
Looks like there are different sets for "standard" set up?
I'd get a set of the silicone ones if become available especially for the long hose under the distributor!

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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scimjim » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:43 pm

scimrick wrote:Looks like there are different sets for "standard" set up?
yep - early and late 1600 engines with different waterpumps :D


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Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by Roger Pennington » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:52 pm

My understanding is that the "later" setup as per mine, coincides with the introduction of the "lean burn" heads and the change from 1.3 to 1.4 for the smaller-engined variant. It also includes a different waterpump (with different outlet pipe design), and at least in the case of the 1600, the TLDM carb with water-powered autochoke. There are some other engine changes not relevant here (IIRC the timing belt tensioner is different and possibly the oil pump??)


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