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Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by swoakes » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:46 pm

Need some new "potion" for daily drivers.

Thinking about Demon foam and Demon shine with the spray attachment.

Does it do what it says on the tin :?:


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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by GTC Ian » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:51 pm

Tried it recently. While it got the dirt off with a bit of rubbing, It also appears it took the wax off. Water no longer beading when I rinsed it and when it rains.
Wouldnt recommend it.
ps It did a great job cleaning the house windows though.


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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by scimjim » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:51 pm

I always used to be an autoglym resin fan (and mer before that) but have been using the demon shine recently for instant results - very good stuff IMO but the pro polishers may disagree :-)


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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by PoshTwit » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:00 pm

They are OK. Foam needs to dwell for a good 3-5 minutes to get it working and then hose, don't jet, off before you go to your shampoo stage. Make sure you use it on an overcast day or early morning as too high panel temperatures will bake it on to your paintwork. A bottle doesn't last very long either and if you don't mind mail order, cheaper and better is available.

Personally, I'm not a fan of snowfoam as its messy. A better option in my mind would be a pre-wash such as ValetPro Citrus Pre-wash in a pump sprayer. This is highly dilutable and should be used at 10 or even 20:1 in the same way as a foam. It can also be used as an All Purpose Cleaner and a 5 litre bottle will last an age. I'm still on my 5l bottle purchased in January with an average of 4-5 cars per week.

Can't comment on Shine I'm afraid. Used it once, was a bit "meh"...


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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by swoakes » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:03 pm

Both cars I intend to use this on have been Autoglym life shined and like Jim my polish of choice is Autoglym resin which I think is great stuff.

My main interest is in the foam spray which would appear to save time but as PT says looks a bit messy. I still envisage using a sponge to finish off.

Posh Twit what products/ practices would you recommend for cleaning a daily runner on a fairly regular basis as quickly as is possible for a reasonable finish :?: :w :wink:


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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by PoshTwit » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:44 pm

Foam spray - yes fine, but do not think it is a substitute for your shampoo stage. Snowfoam is a type of pre-wash and should be rinsed off before you commence "sponge-rubbing" otherwise you are defying its' purpose.

I clean OberGruppenfuhrer's Skoda "Abominable Snowman" on a fortnightly basis and on a bad week it goes something like this:

High-pressure Rinse
Pre-wash (I use ValetPro Citrus Pre-wash, but others are available) applied by pump sprayer including wheels, arches, shuts, etc.
Go and fill shampoo bucket and rinse busket (and wheel bucket if using - I tend to use different shampoos for bodywork/wheels)
Rinse pre-wash from car
Shampoo roof and above "waistline" of car
(If in sunshine, rinse upper portion)
Spray wheel cleaner on wheels and exhaust tips
Shampoo bonnet and below "waistline" of car
(If in sunshine, rinse lower portion trying not to rinse wheels)
Agitate wheels and exhaust with a wheelbrush
Brush-clean inside arches
Use mitt to clean wheel faces
Rinse everywhere with open-ended hose as it aids drying and reduces spotting
(If in sunshine pat dry using MF towel, or use a "Quick Detail" spray as a drying aid with a long-pile MF cloth - otherwise leave until after doorshuts to reduce your workload)
Door/boot/bonnet/fuel cap shuts - Agitate grimy areas with a soft brush (B&Q's own brand round paintbrushes are quite adequate, but be careful of the metal surrounds which can scratch), then wipe clean with a damp MF cloth
Dry. Everything. Metal, glass, plastic, shuts, wheels, the lot. Ideally using a QD spray to assist as this will affect some protection everywhere as well.

This takes me about an hour on the Yeti. Sometimes I add tyre and trim blacking, but the product I use is water-based and non-fling unlike silicone-based products which dry-out the material underneath and splatter themselves all over the shop, so not needed as regularly.

For God's sake, bin the sponge and spend £3 on a MF washmitt!!

As ever, the above is entirely dependant on the state of the car and what kind of protection has been applied to it. LifeShine is OK, but it is very dependant on which monkey at the dealership applied it and the prior preparation. A good Professional Detailer will apply far superior products to a much better prepared car for normally less money than the Dealership and it will last much longer because of it. For example, I recently detailed a brand new Audi A4 at the Dealership using a 5-year guaranteed glass-based sealant. My price was £295 as opposed to the Dealer who wanted £450-ish for LifeShine or an equivalent.

AG SRP is a good product, but it is only a polish and the paintwork will need protecting after use. Likewise, the surfaces will need proper preparation prior to use to ensure you are not polishing bits into your paint at the same time - undoing your work before it has been done, so to speak... I will cover pre-waxing / polishing preparation in another article in a couple of weeks.

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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by swoakes » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:58 pm

Cheers for that; excellent. What shampoo's do you recommend :?:

I assume MF is micro fibre...what is QD spray (quick drying?)

Despite being from Cheshire I don't speak "polishing" :wink:


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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by MrGoldtop1960 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:13 pm

Hi Steve, I think QD is "Quick detailer"??
For what it's worth, I use Angelwax QED which is Quick Exterior Detailer which IMO is a great product if you want a quick shine at a show for instance. I used it at the NEC last year to get the many finger prints and sweaty mitt marks off the car at the end of each day!

Richard, great articles and keep em coming :D

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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by swoakes » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:16 pm

Doh.... yes just realised that :roll:

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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by peter freeman » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:43 pm

Proshine isn't bad.



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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by PoshTwit » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:32 pm

swoakes wrote:Cheers for that; excellent. What shampoo's do you recommend :?:

I assume MF is micro fibre...what is QD spray (quick drying?)

Despite being from Cheshire I don't speak "polishing" :wink:
Sorry, yes - MF = Microfiber and QD = Quick Detailer.

Shampoo-wise, just use whatever you are comfortable with. Sticking with the ValetPro theme, their Poseidon is very good and highly dilutable with a good balance of foam and lubricity. If you will be using a QD to assist drying I would stay away from anything that has a too high wax content as the higher the amount of wax, the less foam you get. For example, professionally I use either a Hi-foam or Hi-shine shampoo from BeaverCare or combine the two to tailor the mix to the car I'm working on and level of soiling. However at home I use Dodo Juice Sour Power as it does what I need straight out of the bottle, plus I like the smell!

Take a look on any of the websites like Cleanyourcar or Ultimatefinish and have a play.


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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by PoshTwit » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:39 pm

Oh - before you ask - QD-wise, there really is no better than Sonax Extreme Brilliant Shine. It's expensive but leaves a level of protection far surpassing its competitors. It also lasts a month plus before the beading drops away and you don't need to use much - I use it to finish most monthly maintenance washes and have only just finished the bottle I bought in December.

ETA - in my opinion...


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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by swoakes » Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:29 pm

Cheers for that PT.

Question.. How does QD assist with drying :?:


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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by PoshTwit » Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:53 pm

Mainly witchcraft I think.

Also, the QD application is making the car's surfaces hydrophobic meaning that water doesn't want to be touching it and is driven into your waiting towel.

But its mostly witchcraft.


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Re: Demon foam and shine...Any good????

Post by Roger Pennington » Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:10 pm

I use Meguiars Ultimate Quick Detailer, much like Kev, for a quick "top-up" before a show, or a tidy-up of paw prints etc during the event. I've been pleased with it, but it's the only one I've used - the Sonax one might be worth a try :)


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