Type 5 with a hydraulic concentric clutch cylinder

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Type 5 with a hydraulic concentric clutch cylinder

Post by stevmale » Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:59 pm

Anybody fitted a hydraulic concentric clutch actuator to a type 5 with Essex .
If it is possible , which one to purchase .


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Post by efi_sprintgte » Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:35 pm

Not type 5 specific but a lot of talk about these on Mikeys build thread:
BigBobPilot wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:14 pm
For balance: The Marcos I share with Iain Daniels has a concentric clutch cylinder, it is an AP racing one, but it's been on the car since we first built it in 2009. We've raced the car for 10 years, fewer races over recent years, but quite a lot for the first 6 or 7 years. It did have a precautionary replacement release bearing & seal kit after we had a crankshaft spigot bearing seize & get everything too hot. However, the gearbox & engine have been split quite a few times, we've never had an issue with the clutch or the concentric slave cylinder. We have never done anything special with the cylinder on re-assembly either. I'd happily use one on my SS1 race car. I don't have much long term experience of OEM concentric slaves, so maybe this is just an example of spending more money up-front for more reliability & simplicity afterwards? Big Bob has a Mondeo concentric slave, but it didn't have massive long term use.

One thing I would say, I'm not sure which bit you cut away with a grinder, but they are very critical on being absolutely square to the clutch/flywheel. Any angular mis-alignment can cause them to stick.


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Post by stevmale » Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:09 pm

Found this for a type E with a Mondeo cylinder , the only trouble its in south Africa.
http://www.vonkdevelopment.com/page12.htm
It looks like the bearing housing with the tube chopped off
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Post by philhoward » Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:30 pm

Don’t Burton power do one or is only for the Type 9 (although what’s the difference I wonder?).


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Post by stevmale » Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:47 pm

philhoward wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:30 pm
Don’t Burton power do one or is only for the Type 9 (although what’s the difference I wonder?).
I have spoken to Burton today and they are not sure if it would work on a type 5


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Post by efi_sprintgte » Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:50 pm

The Burton type 9 one needs a fairly large spacer machined up when in use on a type 9. I see so no reason why the spacer couldn’t be an adapter too.


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Post by philhoward » Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:52 pm

efi_sprintgte wrote:
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The Burton type 9 one needs a fairly large spacer machined up when in use on a type 9. I see so no reason why the spacer couldn’t be an adapter too.
Daft question - is that when using it on a V6 type 9? I suspect the one they sell would be for the 4 cylinder version with the shorter input shaft?


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Post by stevmale » Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:58 pm

Looking at the dimensions of a Type 9 from a kit car site and then measuring my Type 5 They are the similar.


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Post by efi_sprintgte » Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:06 pm

philhoward wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:52 pm
efi_sprintgte wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:50 pm
The Burton type 9 one needs a fairly large spacer machined up when in use on a type 9. I see so no reason why the spacer couldn’t be an adapter too.
Daft question - is that when using it on a V6 type 9? I suspect the one they sell would be for the 4 cylinder version with the shorter input shaft?
Good point, yes it is.

Also was this a short nose or long nose type 5?


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Post by scimjim » Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:21 pm

I think I found 3 or 4 different bearing housings for the type 5!


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Post by stevmale » Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:32 pm

scimjim wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:21 pm
I think I found 3 or 4 different bearing housings for the type 5!
Do they all have the same bolt pcd and diameter configuration.

I have found this for a type 9 , it would give me a flat face to work from.
https://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_i ... s_id=13883


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Post by gtcse8 » Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:33 pm

Has not someone done it on here IIRC, or have I still got Alzheimer`s, :D


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Post by gtcse8 » Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:45 pm

stevmale wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:59 pm
Anybody fitted a hydraulic concentric clutch actuator to a type 5 with Essex .
Steve the Type 5 is the rare 3 rail cable operated box, closely related to the 2000E Bullet box with a removable bell housing :wink:


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Post by stevmale » Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:55 pm

gtcse8 wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:45 pm
Steve the Type 5 is the rare 3 rail cable operated box, closely related to the 2000E Bullet box with a removable bell housing
How about :
https://www.burtonpower.com/spacer-for- ... apc7c.html
&
https://www.burtonpower.com/hydraulic-c ... apc6a.html
&
Mondeo concentric cylinder

and make some shims / spacers or machine the spacer if to tight.


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Post by stevmale » Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:11 pm

Perhaps if anybody near to Cannock Staffordshire with a Type 9 lying around would allow me to try my type 5 Bearing housing cover on.


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